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How good do you think you are?

I am good enough.

And trying to get a little better.

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I suck.

Can't read TAB, Music, or learn by ear.

Only songs I can play are my originals.


Saving grace that makes me a great band member?
Am a pretty good lyricist
Can metal growl
Am able to keep time like a mofo

Rule #1 - never ever say or think you suck. You're just putting yourself down when you say that, and that'll kill your confidence. Instead, say you're better than some and not as good as others, and there's lots of room for improvement. You'll never hear me say I suck! Do I screw up sometimes on stage? Absolutely, who hasn't, but I'm not worried about it. So get some confidence, and don't say you suck. You're probably better than you think you are! ;)
 
Well, we're all in our mid 50's and get more gigs than some of the young punks so we must be doing something right. There's some real talent in the band...sure isn't me. I'll never be a great bassist but I do strive to be a decent accompanist.

BTW, is there really a market for a Rage Against the Machine tribute band?

Riis
 
Well, we're all in our mid 50's and get more gigs than some of the young punks so we must be doing something right. There's some real talent in the band...sure isn't me. I'll never be a great bassist but I do strive to be a decent accompanist.

BTW, is there really a market for a Rage Against the Machine tribute band?

Riis

Zoober, I know where your coming from. I'm 59.

I see ads for projects like that and I just wonder how these people came into music into the first place. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Rage ( their lead guitarist is awesome), but Rage tribute, C'mon guys, really?

Music hit me and came to me in a very profound way and it's still the way I live.

I think I was just a kid riding in the car with my Dad, a Fats Domino song came on the radio and it was instant, "thats what I want to do" I was probably 9 or 10 years old.

I can't tell how gratful I am that I was lucky enough to be born in the 50s.

blue
 
One day at a time.

And I can honestly say I'm better today than I was yesterday.

Started learning bass in April, and I'm about 4-1/2 months better today than I was 4-1/2 months ago.

My goal is to be 2 days better, 2 days from today. If I can pull that off well than I'm good enough for me, and that's what's important.
I try to learn something new everyday, and practice everything I've learned every other day.
So far it's been progressing slowly, but steadily. :bassist:
 
Zoober, I know where your coming from. I'm 59.

I see ads for projects like that and I just wonder how these people came into music into the first place. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Rage ( their lead guitarist is awesome), but Rage tribute, C'mon guys, really?

Music hit me and came to me in a very profound way and it's still the way I live.

I think I was just a kid riding in the car with my Dad, a Fats Domino song came on the radio and it was instant, "thats what I want to do" I was probably 9 or 10 years old.

I can't tell how gratful I am that I was lucky enough to be born in the 50s.

blue

My respond is come on ! Those kids should play music they like and their generation like. I'm 29 and I think it isn,t a good idea to play music only to be on a stage. I don't see the interest in playing music only 50 years old and up like when you are below 30.

Also if no one try to go outside of the establish cover thing ... we will never move on to fresh music, there is other nice music than 50/60/70 pop music.

If I go somewhere to listen to music ... I want music that I can relate to, if the band play Brown Eye Girl or other 60 years old song, it is just not me.

So no wonder kids don't go where true live band are ... the music is boring to them and let's face it ... when your generation will be too old to go to a bar, live music will be dead because there is no place for something else than old blues, old pop music and old rock music.
 
... as a bass/player musician?

Is it important to you to feel successful?
Yes, I do this because I like the challenge and I enjoy success when I improve as a musician.

Is it important to you that your peers see you as successful?
Yes,I am affected by how others view me and I am self-conscious and the opinions of others mean more to me than they should.

Do you have something to prove?
Yes, my father was a successful professional drummer and my mother was an accomplished pianist, although she was never successful professionally. When it comes to music I've always felt sub-par compared to them and since childhood I've wanted to prove I was at least as good. My father was an accomplished performer and my mother was accomplished in music theory and arrangements, I am not as good as either was in either category.

How do you measure your own success?
Two ways. One by expanding my knowledge of music and steadily increasing my skills with regards to music theory and songwriting (which has always stayed private), and secondly by hearing through others that I am a desirable musician to add to their band.

How do you think others measure your success in their minds?
I can't answer this honestly. I suppose by whether or not I can perform for an audience competently. My wife measures my success by the amount of happiness playing brings me, whether public or private.

Do you think of TB as a place where you can compare yourself against others and measure your success?
To a point, many here are far better than I am. I don't post sound clips because I'm afraid of the criticism from members who are much better than I am. But really I use TB as a good resource for information and a place to chat with people who have similar interests.

Do you think your own sense of status on TB translates to status in the real world?
No. Although who I am on TB is pretty much who I am in real life. With an anonymous username. Although a handful here actually know who I am and where I live. Forums like this only give a glimpse into who the real person is, so whatever I "am" on TB really has no impact on my life or sense of myself. And even if I were to be regarded as the the best player on TB, I'd still think I'm not too good and would be hard on myself anyway.

Do you think people on TB look up to other TBers they see as successful?
Yes. As musicians we are our own worst critics and this is probably most true of bassists. And true of some people. Look at the people who bought "X" gear because "what's-his-name" used it. So yes, I think that there are quite a few TB'ers who use this online forum as the measuring stick for themselves and look up to those who are doing what they wish they could.

Just some thought provoking questions.

Maybe not the prettiest or most psychologically "healthy" answers, but they are honest.
 
Clef_de_fa said:
My respond is come on ! Those kids should play music they like and their generation like. I'm 29 and I think it isn,t a good idea to play music only to be on a stage. I don't see the interest in playing music only 50 years old and up like when you are below 30.

Also if no one try to go outside of the establish cover thing ... we will never move on to fresh music, there is other nice music than 50/60/70 pop music.

If I go somewhere to listen to music ... I want music that I can relate to, if the band play Brown Eye Girl or other 60 years old song, it is just not me.

So no wonder kids don't go where true live band are ... the music is boring to them and let's face it ... when your generation will be too old to go to a bar, live music will be dead because there is no place for something else than old blues, old pop music and old rock music.

Yes younger musicians should play music they like except when it comes to wasting their time on a rage tribute project.

You have sort of a narrow idea of cover bands and what some of us older guys are incorporating into our set lists. I've never played brown eyed girl or anything like that in bands and would be strongly against it.

I still say the profound way and the time period I came into music and playing bass is more valid than those born in the 80s & 90s

It was just s more prolific time for new music. Look at how many musical icons we have

Blue
 
bluewine:

when you warm up your voice, do you say:

me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me

???
 
DBCrocky said:
bluewine:

when you warm up your voice, do you say:

me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me - me

???

Not at all. But I'm sticking with my position on the value of how we all come into music and playing bass guitar.

I think if I was coming of age in the 80s or 90s I wouldn't be playing music. The scene was no longer magical or innocent.

Blue
 
The 60s and 70s... what an innocent time....

Manson, Altamont, John Phillips from the Mamas and the Papas having sex with his daughter and getting her hooked on drugs..., Hendrix, Pigpen, The Pearl all puking themselves to death...

My eighties introduction to playing music in the hardcore scene in Columbus and Cleveland, OH, was no less innocent or magical than anyone else's anywhere or any time. I was making music and it was awesome.

Still is.
 
Not at all. But I'm sticking with my position on the value of how we all come into music and playing bass guitar.

I think if I was coming of age in the 80s or 90s I wouldn't be playing music. The scene was no longer magical or innocent.

Blue

I think I would tend to disagree with you, Blue. I'm a child of the 80's and early 90's (graduated high school in '91), and compared to today I think the 80's were a great time and very conducive to those who thought about getting involved in music.

Maybe my view is skewed because both of my parents played instruments proficiently and my father was a working drummer.

In thinking back, I remember trips to the record store, listening to the radio (or my WALKMAN....remember those?), and having the songs mean a lot to me. I looked forward to seeing my father's band perform when my mother could get the club owners to let my sister and I in (it was usually early in the night, we were well underage).

I was a big fan of Aqua-Net Rock (as I call it), and most of those songs were about having fun, parties, chasing girls, being an individual, or standing up "to the man".

By comparison, most of the stuff I've heard out of the 50's, 60's, and 70's (pop music or rock-n-roll) was about having fun, parties, chasing girls, being an individual, or standing up "to the man".

With the introduction of MTV, kids in my age group not only got to hear the music, but to see the performers, as well, and just how "cool" it would be to be a musician.

As far as the innocence of the time....it was probably more innocent than your childhood of the 60's. The 80's were almost dead opposite of the 60's; it was a more conservative time in many ways. Lots of energy put into dissuading drugs, sex became scary due to AIDS, and there was no war for musicians to write protest songs about. Everyone wanted to be Ferris Bueler. Or Alex Keaton. Or Marty McFly.

With the style of music being released and finding it's way to the mainstream, including rap, I think the idea of being involved in music was VERY attractive to young people. Because there were so many styles that were common and popular. Dance music, rap, hard rock, heavy metal, etc...., you could turn on the radio and find something that most everyone liked.

Now that I'm almost 40, I can see where you're coming from. I look at the music of today (when I turn on the radio) and all I can see is a soul-less, mass produced mess of commercial crap with created artists or truly depressing tunes that I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to listen to, much less learn to perform.

And I imagine in 20 years I'll be just like you, having someone just like me tell me just how wrong I am.