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How Important Are Scales?

It's fine that you don't associate fingerings with named scales, etc. After 40 plus years of playing music, I'd hope that it would be pretty intuitive.
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It's a slippery slope to try to be all intuitive with music, when you don't have the proper exposure. It just takes time, and sometimes it floors me, thinking of how much I don't know.

Quite true. It took me many years to get there, and for the first several of those my thinking process was very much more analytical, but I felt that saying "I no longer..." risked sounding condescending. I use modes as the spawning ground of melodic ideas, like oyster-shell to the pearl, not a logistical solution to navigating the fingerboard. If it's G major, its G Major, not a bit of G Ionian followed by a fragment of C Lydian then A Dorian with D Mixolydian to finish, even if the chords are G, C^7, Am7 and D7.
 
I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

If I ever need inspiration, I practice unfamiliar scales. You never know when they might come in handy. Check out Stray Cats' "Runaway Boys." Lee Rocker came up with an unusual descending scale that was clearly not in the Eddie Cochran style that the Cats were known for. One day Rocker ran into Leonard Bernstein who told him how much he liked that bass line.

This is even more relevant in my lead guitar work. As long as I end up on the right note and hit a couple of other right notes along the way, tossing in an unusual scale on occasion can add a lot of interest.
 
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They're an element of musical theory. It's like learning a language and asking if prepositions are important. It depends how well you want to learn the language.
I would argue that the scales are in fact the alphabet. Just as manipulating those letters make words, so does manipulating the notes of the scale make musical phrases, melodies and motifs. But to answer the original question, of course scales are important, that's where the melodies live!
 
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I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

Any good videos that break them done or book or etc? I know there is many but what is the best ones to follow?


As above! Chords and pentatonic scales are the most useful. Modes are also a great way of understanding how chords are plugged together and they're not as complicated as some make out.

Scott's Bass Lessons is a fantastic resource for bass players. A lot of his videos are available for free on You Tube and a year's subscription to the academy is the price of maybe half a dozen face to face lessons.

Bass Manual by Stephen Richter is a pretty cool reference manual.
 
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For musical knowledge, they are important. Not as important as chords. As Jeff Berlin puts it,



This is why a popular study book is Chord Studies for Electric Bass

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I would say that the scales are more important to know. If you know your scales, then you would know which notes to apply to a chord, based on the scale whether it's major or minor. The notes within the scale let you know which is the root, 3rd,5th,7th.
 
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Scales ... Really good to know. 1st, playing scales is good for warming up and getting stronger and faster. 2nd, will help your sight reading a lot. 3rd, depends on the type of music you want to play. Swing, Jazz, classic rock, you need to know difference between a Major and Minor chord. The difference is in the scale. Country music? The ole 1-5-1-5 bass line doesn't determine major or minor. Here's a Tip, as we are all family. For a Major chord in the music, put your 2nd finger on the root. Pretty much everything you can grab is a good note. A Minor Chord ... put your 1st finger on the root. Just about everything you can grab is fine.
 
I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

Any good videos that break them done or book or etc? I know there is many but what is the best ones to follow?

For me the value of scales is so that I don’t have to think about the passing tones that get from one chord to the other, my fingers know them already, and I can think about larger form shapes and target tones. Having the scales thoroughly under my fingers lets me focus on the groove, the progression, and listen to the other members of the band.
 
I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

Any good videos that break them done or book or etc? I know there is many but what is the best ones to follow?

The easiest way to answer this question is with a question:

How many songs have you played in your life that required you to play diatonic scalar runs in them? In my experience, none, outside of Mozart and Clementi.

FTR, I was a musician for 20 years before I ever picked up a bass. I may not be able to regurgitate an E# mixilydorian scale on demand, but I know which notes to play to evoke the feeling I want to communicate.
 
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I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

Any good videos that break them done or book or etc? I know there is many but what is the best ones to follow?
Like a lot of others on this, scales may be great for exercise but when it comes to being musical I’ve gotten a whole lot .more out of knowledge of chord structure. If you’re planning on Punk Rockin the house, scale studies won’t help you at all but chord knowledge will never hurt. Playing any jazz music without that knowledge is basically impossible. You are a bridge between rhythm and chord structure, so knowledge of both is a good thing. Play on..
 
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I don't think in note-names, I think and play like this:
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It's easy to read this way: if 1 is on a line, so is 3, so is 5, and top 1 is in a space.
If 1 is in a space, so is 3, so is 5, and top 1 is on a line.
There will be an accidental (# or b) if the note is different from the scales above.
Modes... puh. Dorian mode = start on 2, play scale to next 2. Aeolian (= minor) start on 6, play to next 6.
Pentatonics: just leave out the relevant notes. Pentatonics aren't for bass players anyway -- they are there to keep the guitarists out of our way!

Well, there might be a bit more to it than that, but the above is a good start. I use it when teaching beginners, we learn the note-names later. Get them playing first, before drowning them in theory.
 
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I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

Any good videos that break them done or book or etc? I know there is many but what is the best ones to follow?
Scales are the foundation of understanding any instrument. The rest of the instruments follow the bass, so your knowledge of the songs the band will play, and your understanding of very basic, but crucial, music theory, are the key to the band's success. Several other replies suggest chords are more important than scales, but you can't properly understand chords until you understand scales. The good news is that scales are very easy to understand and learn. Start with the normal major scale. You don't really even need a book. Starting on ANY NOTE at all, go up one whole step (two frets), whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step, half step. You have now played eight notes, and you have ended up on the same note that you started with; one octave higher. For instance, in the key of G, that would be G-A-B-C-D-E-#F-G. Key of F: F-G-A-bB-C-D-E-F. Key of C: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C. And so on. Reverse order going down, the exact same notes. Practice every sensible way you can finger them, for instance start on an open string for E and A, then start with your bird finger on either the E or A strings, last start with your pinkie. See that you can finger any scale at least two, more often three or more ways, that require no shifts at all, or only one. Practice every key! Can't emphasize that enough. Once you can confidently play the major scale in all 12 keys, start playing them going up two full octaves. Some basses don't have enough notes to go all the way up in bE or D. Spend time with the scales every day, and your fingers will go where you want them to unfailingly, with ease. Say the notes out loud as you play them, and you will master your knowledge of the fingerboard. With this under your belt, then learn minor scales, pentatonic scales, etc, at your leisure. Your chord studies will now make perfect sense, and practice routines based on chord forms, arpeggios, progressions, and so on will be very beneficial. Somewhere along the line, look at a circle of fifths (can be called cycle; same thing) and give it a permanent space on the wall where you practice. You are now on your way to being the bass player every band calls first.
 
I'm serious, how important for a bass player is scales?

Any good videos that break them done or book or etc? I know there is many but what is the best ones to follow?
Scales build Musical Memory, proficiency, stamina, and familiarity with the notes in all positions on the fret board. I am a position player, I play 5 string. So, in ANY position on the neck, I have 15 notes directly available in ANY key because of the scales I practice. You will also find, Major scales work different muscles than Minor scales. It's invaluable.
 
Until about 10 years ago I couldn't have cared less for learning scales. Then started watching Scott's Bass Lessons online, and it was pretty easy. I use the Nashville Number System so they just sorta went together. Now, honestly when we are learning a new song I almost know what the next note will be without looking at the charts, it becomes that important and useful. I'm almost 71 and playing bass now with charts is becoming so much easier. Take the time. Learn the charts. That's all I have to say. I'm gone.
 
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If I ever need inspiration, I practice unfamiliar scales. You never know when they might come in handy. Check out Stray Cats' "Runaway Boys." Lee Rocker came up with an unusual descending scale that was clearly not in the Eddie Cochran style that the Cats were known for. One day Rocker ran into Leonard Bernstein who told him how much he liked that bass line.

This is even more relevant in my lead guitar work. As long as I end up on the right note and hit a couple of other right notes along the way, tossing in an unusual scale on occasion can add a lot of interest.

The truth of the matter is that scales are vital because simply put, there are no chords without scales. Like what came first the chicken or the egg? in this case single notes came first then scales and then chords. Anybody advising another musician that scale knowledge doesn't it matter is either uneducated or totally misled and misguided..
 
the algebraic representation of music is: 2n, i.e. relationship, diatonic ,
melodic, scales move horizontally, in 2nd's
harmonic, chords move vertically, in thirds,
understanding both directions and their relationship is an absolute for bassists
 
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