How many cops does it take to stop a car? 23

[aborgman]

A cop walking up to a car with a hand on his holstered gun is only dangerous to the occupants if they attempt to injure the cop.

I think history has shown this to not exactly be true. Police officers have a frightening number of accidental discharges for people who are supposed to be firearms proficient.

And policing is far more dangerous than you'll admit to.

Policing is a lot more dangerous than my job.

That being said - it doesn't even fall into the top 20 most dangerous jobs, and is less dangerous than farming, logging, commercial fishing, mining, construction, driving a taxi, and quite a number of other things.

...and the number one killer of cops is car accidents.

Cops get hurt and die every day doing things as routine as checking on a suspicious vehicle that got called in by the neighbors. Policing is a necessity, it's dangerous, and caution is necessary to ensure safety.

Absolutely - and reasonable caution which improves safety without reducing public safety should be engaged in.

 

[Tbone76]

Their hand on their gun is part of it --a symptom-- rather than the complete problem. It ties in with the larger narrative of treating all, or at least a significant number of citizens as perceived criminals.

No, it just means that it isn't possible to know what you're walking into during a traffic stop. The feds did an in-depth study involving cops killed in the line of duty a few years ago, in which they interviewed and filmed the killers, as well as the officers who worked along side the deceased officers and a disturbing trend arose. In a significant number of incidents where cops got murdered, the convicted killers decided to kill the officers after they felt that they had the upper hand, basically reading that the cop was being complacent, doing things like letting the perp keep his hands in his pockets, stand too close to the officer, etc. the info is out there, so I think you should maybe research that, too, while you're at it. But if you'd rather watch your Youtube "attorneys", good luck with that. It is true that during a traffic stop you don't have to roll your window down all the way, but on a highway with lots of cars flying by at high speed, it's almost impossible to have a conversation without yelling.

You seem to be one of those people that argue about a perceived overreach by law enforcement, but then wonder why cops aren't able to arrest people based solely on hearsay evidence, ie "I didn't see it, but I know that so-and-so damaged my car. He gave me a dirty look 2 weeks ago. Why don't you just arrest him!!??" Then you'll rant that the cops aren't doing anything.

 

[Unrepresented]

No, it just means that it isn't possible to know what you're walking into during a traffic stop. The feds did an in-depth study involving cops killed in the line of duty a few years ago, in which they interviewed and filmed the killers, as well as the officers who worked along side the deceased officers and a disturbing trend arose. In a significant number of incidents where cops got murdered, the convicted killers decided to kill the officers after they felt that they had the upper hand, basically reading that the cop was being complacent, doing things like letting the perp keep his hands in his pockets, stand too close to the officer, etc. the info is out there, so I think you should maybe research that, too, while you're at it. But if you'd rather watch your Youtube "attorneys", good luck with that. It is true that during a traffic stop you don't have to roll your window down all the way, but on a highway with lots of cars flying by at high speed, it's almost impossible to have a conversation without yelling.

You seem to be one of those people that argue about a perceived overreach by law enforcement, but then wonder why cops aren't able to arrest people based solely on hearsay evidence, ie "I didn't see it, but I know that so-and-so damaged my car. He gave me a dirty look 2 weeks ago. Why don't you just arrest him!!??" Then you'll rant that the cops aren't doing anything.

I actually lead a pretty mild life. Have personally solicited police intervention only a couple of times: once for a traffic accident (illegally cut off), the other was to notify campus police that someone stole my car stereo. Neither of which were solved, neither of which I perceived as likely of being solved.

Do I believe police resources could be better used? Absolutely. Traffic enforcement is a scam used to bolster coffers and a profiling tool used to increase "justified" searches of citizens.

Using convicted killers as a measurement of how all citizens should be treated still seems out of line to me. I don't want anyone to die from doing their job, but I don't feel I deserve to be handled like a likely murderer, including shooting me when I'm unarmed.

 

[Jim Campbell]

No, it just means that it isn't possible to know what you're walking into during a traffic stop. The feds did an in-depth study involving cops killed in the line of duty a few years ago, in which they interviewed and filmed the killers, as well as the officers who worked along side the deceased officers and a disturbing trend arose. In a significant number of incidents where cops got murdered, the convicted killers decided to kill the officers after they felt that they had the upper hand, basically reading that the cop was being complacent, doing things like letting the perp keep his hands in his pockets, stand too close to the officer, etc. the info is out there, so I think you should maybe research that, too, while you're at it. But if you'd rather watch your Youtube "attorneys", good luck with that. It is true that during a traffic stop you don't have to roll your window down all the way, but on a highway with lots of cars flying by at high speed, it's almost impossible to have a conversation without yelling.

You seem to be one of those people that argue about a perceived overreach by law enforcement, but then wonder why cops aren't able to arrest people based solely on hearsay evidence, ie "I didn't see it, but I know that so-and-so damaged my car. He gave me a dirty look 2 weeks ago. Why don't you just arrest him!!??" Then you'll rant that the cops aren't doing anything.

you've nailed the old "i want it both ways" we don't want people roaring around on our streets,but we don't want to be inconvenienced by cops trying to enforce the very laws that make that possible......

i do agree tho' that the cops can be arbitrary...... case in point.....i was in front of my house,just getting started on the dogs walk when some dude drove up on the wet boulevard leaving a rut,because he was too lazy to go to the end of the block and turn around and park facing the right way ...turns out he was a trade guy called to a house across the road ...

..so i said something to him,(nothing violent or threatening) and he said he had a gun and would shoot me....i called the cops,who took their time showing up .....they cuffed him and had a chat then let him go....i asked the cops what the deal was,as i knew damn well that if the shoe was on the other foot i'd be on my way to jail.....they said that "i'm an intimidating looking " guy...(57 year old dude with a skye terrier on a leash in my own front yard) ...and here they have a phobia about guns that would send swat for a kid with a pellet gun......

 

[sowilson]

the cops should shoot first and ask questions later and no more wimpy pistols. Full auto machine guns. Pull over the car and empty a couple of clips into every vehical you stop. Yeah, that's the ticket, that's freedom. Oh yeah, and shoot the TV reporters or anyone that posts video's, they're just pinko commie fags or worse - muslimmmmmms. Police state baby, keep a bottle of KY with you

 

[Darth Handsome]

the cops should shoot first and ask questions later and no more wimpy pistols. Full auto machine guns. Pull over the car and empty a couple of clips into every vehical you stop. Yeah, that's the ticket, that's freedom. Oh yeah, and shoot the TV reporters or anyone that posts video's, they're just pinko commie fags or worse - muslimmmmmms. Police state baby, keep a bottle of KY with you

Holy **** man. I like the cut of your jib. If you'd have shoe-horned some water boarding into that post I'd be retweeting that shiznit.

 

[Tbone76]

I actually lead a pretty mild life. Have personally solicited police intervention only a couple of times: once for a traffic accident (illegally cut off), the other was to notify campus police that someone stole my car stereo. Neither of which were solved, neither of which I perceived as likely of being solved.

Do I believe police resources could be better used? Absolutely. Traffic enforcement is a scam used to bolster coffers and a profiling tool used to increase "justified" searches of citizens.

Using convicted killers as a measurement of how all citizens should be treated still seems out of line to me. I don't want anyone to die from doing their job, but I don't feel I deserve to be handled like a likely murderer, including shooting me when I'm unarmed.

So let me get this straight: you've had 2 interactions with police in your life, and your whole image of policing has been shaped by that, or were those just the instances where you called the police? Have your other interactions been when you got pulled over for breaking traffic laws? I'm just trying to get into your headspace regarding your views on policing? From your previous comments, it seems like you get a lot of it from Youtube vids, many of which happen to be blatantly misleading, edited favorably, etc.

And, lest you forget, drugs are transported in vehicles, by drug dealers, many of which have killed and maimed other people. Why can't you understand that? If criminals were rational people, things would be different, but......


Let's go to Norway!

 

[Darth Handsome]

So let me get this straight: you've had 2 interactions with police in your life, and your whole image of policing has been shaped by that, or were those just the instances where you called the police? Have your other interactions been when you got pulled over for breaking traffic laws? I'm just trying to get into your headspace regarding your views on policing? From your previous comments, it seems like you get a lot of it from Youtube vids, many of which happen to be blatantly misleading, edited favorably, etc.

And, lest you forget, drugs are transported in vehicles, by drug dealers, many of which have killed and maimed other people. Why can't you understand that? If criminals were rational people, things would be different, but......


Let's go to Norway!

Evidently, Norwegians aren't all that rational either.

 

[Tbone76]

Evidently, Norwegians aren't all that rational either.

It's the land of beer and blondes, so it can't be all bad.

 

[Darth Handsome]

It's the land of beer and blondes, so it can't be all bad.

That's Norwegian for facepaint & sheep. LambchopFromBelow is taking you for a ride, ese.

 

[Unrepresented]

So let me get this straight: you've had 2 interactions with police in your life, and your whole image of policing has been shaped by that, or were those just the instances where you called the police? Have your other interactions been when you got pulled over for breaking traffic laws? I'm just trying to get into your headspace regarding your views on policing? From your previous comments, it seems like you get a lot of it from Youtube vids, many of which happen to be blatantly misleading, edited favorably, etc.

And, lest you forget, drugs are transported in vehicles, by drug dealers, many of which have killed and maimed other people. Why can't you understand that? If criminals were rational people, things would be different, but......


Let's go to Norway!

The two events I've listed were the two solicited encounters I've had with police. I've had many more unsolicited encounters, primarily traffic stops, mostly just as excuses to run my driver's license for warrants. I don't get that many tickets, though I do get pulled over with some regularity.

Drugs are transported everywhere, from pockets, to ships, to body cavities. That shouldn't mean that proctology offices should include armed police presence when administering your prostate exam, just as driving a car shouldn't mean you're going to be assumed to be a narcotics trafficker.

 

[nukes_da_bass]

The two events I've listed were the two solicited encounters I've had with police. I've had many more unsolicited encounters, primarily traffic stops, mostly just as excuses to run my driver's license for warrants. I don't get that many tickets, though I do get pulled over with some regularity.

Drugs are transported everywhere, from pockets, to ships, to body cavities. That shouldn't mean that proctology offices should include armed police presence when administering your prostate exam, just as driving a car shouldn't mean you're going to be assumed to be a narcotics trafficker.

Anyone dumb enough to show up at a scheduled proctology exam with a Butt full of dope deserves their own reality show behind bars.

 

[Tbone76]

The two events I've listed were the two solicited encounters I've had with police. I've had many more unsolicited encounters, primarily traffic stops, mostly just as excuses to run my driver's license for warrants. I don't get that many tickets, though I do get pulled over with some regularity.

Drugs are transported everywhere, from pockets, to ships, to body cavities. That shouldn't mean that proctology offices should include armed police presence when administering your prostate exam, just as driving a car shouldn't mean you're going to be assumed to be a narcotics trafficker.

So are you really more angry with the police for stopping you because you broke traffic laws on several different occasions? That's the root of the problem, methinks. It's a stretch for me to think that the cops see you, want to just check you "for warrants", fabricate a stop to do this, then send you on your way. Repeatedly. Right.......

Is it more plausible that you get your Youtube/internet cop-bashing muscles pumped, then go out and react to the cops in a stand-offish manner when they legally stop you? Methinks yes.

There was a case just last year in Ohio, where a trooper stopped to assist 2 teens stranded on the highway with a broken down car. He just gave them a ride and never thought about running the car or occupants, or asking for permission (not demanding) to look in their bags before putting them in his car. Turns out the car was reported stolen and the kids had murdered someone (and themselves may have been reported missing), and the weapon they used was in their bag. He got jammed up, and rightfully so. When a cop stops you for a traffic violation, you are not free to go. The passengers can leave (in NY) as long as they haven't committed an infraction, also (seat belt, littering, etc). They can also refuse to provide ID if they haven't committed an offense. Your ID gets checked for suspensions and yes, warrants. The 2 databases are tied in, so when you run the ID, any warrants come up. If a cop fails to check and lets a wanted criminal get away, they're not doing their job.

Your other argument regarding the proctologist is ridiculous, and as such doesn't deserve a response. If you don't get it by now, you never will, and no amount of statistical evidence, reported incidents, video evidence, or first-hand accounts will wake you up. You obviously won't attempt to ride-along with a cop, so I'll leave it at that.

That being said, I respect your right to your opinion and beliefs

 

[will33]

I get it now.

Cop uses anecdotal evidence (this one time, this one guy...) and they are completely justified in thinking everyone's out to get them and treating the entire public as if we're all murderers on the run.

Citizen uses same anecdotal evidence (this one time, this one cop...), and they're nuts, probably have something to hide, the cop was just a "bad apple", and they should just stfu and comply.

Ok, got it.

 

[Unrepresented]

So are you really more angry with the police for stopping you because you broke traffic laws on several different occasions? That's the root of the problem, methinks. It's a stretch for me to think that the cops see you, want to just check you "for warrants", fabricate a stop to do this, then send you on your way. Repeatedly. Right.......

Is it more plausible that you get your Youtube/internet cop-bashing muscles pumped, then go out and react to the cops in a stand-offish manner when they legally stop you? Methinks yes.

There was a case just last year in Ohio, where a trooper stopped to assist 2 teens stranded on the highway with a broken down car. He just gave them a ride and never thought about running the car or occupants, or asking for permission (not demanding) to look in their bags before putting them in his car. Turns out the car was reported stolen and the kids had murdered someone (and themselves may have been reported missing), and the weapon they used was in their bag. He got jammed up, and rightfully so. When a cop stops you for a traffic violation, you are not free to go. The passengers can leave (in NY) as long as they haven't committed an infraction, also (seat belt, littering, etc). They can also refuse to provide ID if they haven't committed an offense. Your ID gets checked for suspensions and yes, warrants. The 2 databases are tied in, so when you run the ID, any warrants come up. If a cop fails to check and lets a wanted criminal get away, they're not doing their job.

Your other argument regarding the proctologist is ridiculous, and as such doesn't deserve a response. If you don't get it by now, you never will, and no amount of statistical evidence, reported incidents, video evidence, or first-hand accounts will wake you up. You obviously won't attempt to ride-along with a cop, so I'll leave it at that.

That being said, I respect your right to your opinion and beliefs

According to my Youtube lawyers your post amounts to slander.:|

I never said I was innocent, but the reasons I was pulled over were frequently things like "license plate light out" or similar trivial violations to justify a stop with hopes of catching something bigger. Half the times I'm not even cited, which would suggest they really are looking to simply run my plates and license or hit a payday with a DUI.

I don't hate cops, but I absolutely do believe in civil liberties. I see increases in police powers as antithetical to civil liberties.

 

[will33]

My cop.

Todays cop.

Personally, I think a much better rapport could be had between the police and those they are policing if it was a little more like the first one.


Or maybe this...

 

[DeathFromBelow]

That's Norwegian for facepaint & sheep. LambchopFromBelow is taking you for a ride, ese.

Can't argue with that.

 

[Tbone76]

I get it now.

Cop uses anecdotal evidence (this one time, this one guy...) and they are completely justified in thinking everyone's out to get them and treating the entire public as if we're all murderers on the run.

Citizen uses same anecdotal evidence (this one time, this one cop...), and they're nuts, probably have something to hide, the cop was just a "bad apple", and they should just stfu and comply.

Ok, got it.

No, I actually showed real instances and point out statistical evidence to support my point. I don't resort to making up things in my head, like "He just stopped my car to see if I had warrants.", while then later admitting that I did, in fact, break the law. There's a difference.

You'll never hear me say that every cop in the world walks on water and should be free to violate constitutional rights. I think that the ones who cross that line should be punished, because they make the job harder for the rest of us, all while making us all look bad. I'm in favor of in-car cameras and audio, as are my co-workers. And no matter how applicants are screened, and how much schooling is required, some idiots will still make it under the radar. There's also the effects of PTSD that is often overlooked. It is real, and it can make the best, most professional cop fall. There's also statistics to back that up, too, if you bother to look.

 

[DeathFromBelow]

I get it now.

Cop uses anecdotal evidence (this one time, this one guy...) and they are completely justified in thinking everyone's out to get them and treating the entire public as if we're all murderers on the run.

Citizen uses same anecdotal evidence (this one time, this one cop...), and they're nuts, probably have something to hide, the cop was just a "bad apple", and they should just stfu and comply.

Ok, got it.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

 

[Darth Handsome]

All right, these guys have convinced me. Gimme my dollar back.