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How many watts do I -really- need?

I’ve tried to search. Haven’t quite found the answer.

I love my 6x10 Mesa Cab. I used to drive it with a solid state Carvin head. But I want to move to an all-tube setup. But I don’t -think- I need a huge setup. I just want to be able to hear the bass over the drums and guitar during the practice.

Will 300W work? Or do I need to go to 800? I’ve never owned an Ampeg or a Bassman. But I’d really like the warmth of a tube setup.

Advise/suggestions?
I toured in a nightclub band for 3-years back in the early 70's playing 5-nights a week, 50-weeks a year. I started out with the 1966 Fender Bassman amp that I bought new in 1966 and played through high school and some college. It was a 50-watt all tube amp. It sounded great and since it was the first year they put the big cab on the Fender Bassman, it looked great too.

About 3 months into touring in 1971 the keys and the guitarist bought Vox Super Beatle amps as Thomas Organ was clearing them out. IIRC those were 125-watt amps (solid state not tube). They promptly buried and kept telling me that I need to turn up. If I turned that Bassman up past #7 it would fart out. Very few things as bad as being told to turn up your bass when you don't have the ability to do so.

While we were playing a club for a couple of weeks in Lincoln Nebraska I went to the music store looking for a Fender Dual Showman (85-watt all tube) and came out with a Standel piggy-back MCIIB/SAM30B amp (200-watts rms). That totally buried the Super Beatle amps. I couldn't turn it above #3 indoors (9 o'clock). Finished out the next two years touring with that amp. I could turn it up to #5 outdoors but it definitely had more than I needed. I learned the very important lesson that having too much power is far better than not having enough.

So, don't buy something that you know you're going to have to replace down the road. If you like the warmth that tubes provide, look at a Hybrid amp - one or more tubes in the preamp and solid-state power section. There are also chips such as the "Golden Ear" chip (THAT-4001) that will provide that same warmth. I have an Eden WT500/800 that is a hybrid with a 12ax7 tube in the preamp. It has a very nice warm sound while still being very clear and articulate.

I also have a small Eden class D amp, a TN226, that is a 225-watt amp that weighs all of 4.7-lbs. It does not have a tube and yet, it still has that same warm sound that my hybrid does because of that "Golden Ear" chip. But 225-watts now days is not much power and I specifically got it to play a small venue that we played a lot. Class D amps are super light (mine weighs 4.7-lbs.) and I could put it in a shoulder bag, grab my 112 in one hand, bass in the other, and load in was done! My plan, once we start gigging again is to get a [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] which is a class D amp (4.8-lbs.) that has 800-watts rms power along with all the goodies. It also has that nice warmth to its sound.

You can hear that DNA-800 at the video below as Bass Musician Magazine.com goes through all the features. You'll notice the nice warm sound it produces through that DNS-210 cab:


So, don't think that warmth can only come from tubes. A hybrid amp or just one with the right chip in it will give you that warmth. If you really want an all-tube amp, then get an 80-lb., 300-watt monster and call it good, but please don't settle for a 100-watt all-tube head lest you find yourself in the position I was in back in the early 70's...you really don't want to go there.
 
I've found my comfort zone is 350 watts solid state. I tried 200w and it wasn't quite enough, tho adequate, I didn't like the overall balls of it compared to 350. This would be in a 7pc horn band with a Jazz Bass or G&L ASAT and Hartke 410XL. I got an Ampeg 350 Portaflex thats both small and wonderful tone
 
That depends on the size of the places you’re playing. I have 3 Marshall’s - 50w, a 100w and a 200w Marshall Major. The 200w can cover stadiums! I play through 8 x 10’s. Different wattages from different brands VARY GREATLY in actual power.
 
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Not everyone's watts are created equal. My 500 watt GK MB212-II is not a big amp by many people's standards, but it can literally break the windows of my house. I'm pretty sure any gig too big for it is probably a gig where everyone would be going to PA anyway. In fact, it's way too much amp for me at this stage of my life, and I'll probably be trading it down for something smaller soon.

As for watts in the practice room: most musicians spend far more time in the practice room than on stage. So if you're practicing THAT LOUD, you're likely doing something wrong to your hearing over the longer term. You shouldn't need a full SVT 810 stack set to LUDICROUS SPEED just to practice, dig?
 
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Not everyone's watts are created equal. My 500 watt GK MB212-II is not a big amp by many people's standards, but it can literally break the windows of my house. I'm pretty sure any gig too big for it is probably a gig where everyone would be going to PA anyway. In fact, it's way too much amp for me at this stage of my life, and I'll probably be trading it down for something smaller soon.

As for watts in the practice room: most musicians spend far more time in the practice room than on stage. So if you're practicing THAT LOUD, you're likely doing something wrong to your hearing over the longer term. You shouldn't need a full SVT 810 stack set to LUDICROUS SPEED just to practice, dig?

The MB212 is my weapon of choice nowadays. As soon as we got a PA big enough to really handle bass I put the stack in the garage. The MB sounds great and has plenty of volume on stage.

Plus there is the powered extension cabinet out there, just in case!
 
With a Mesa 6x10, any 300 watt tube amp would be all you would need for anything. But more is........well more.

I agree. I own a Mesa Powerhouse 610. I haven’t plugged an all tube Ampeg SVT or an all tube Fender Super Bassman head into it, but my gut tells me either one of those heads dialed up through the Mesa 610 would sound incredible.

I’ve plugged my Aguilar TH500 into my 610 at home, and it gets pretty darn loud, and it’s giving the cabinet 500 watts.
 
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The MB212 is my weapon of choice nowadays. As soon as we got a PA big enough to really handle bass I put the stack in the garage. The MB sounds great and has plenty of volume on stage.

Plus there is the powered extension cabinet out there, just in case!
I also wield an MB212 II Neo- No regrets. It is a no excuses amp that can be carried in one hand and play most gigs without need of powered cab enhancement. That is, of course not stopping me from adding an MBP cab in near future- for no reason other than GAS and I can add a preamp and use one for keys and one for bass.

The OP asked about hybrids and I must second(3rd, 4th??) the Mesa WD800.
Not to say I wouldn't love a GK Fusion but the Mesa company and the integrity , presence on this forum and intelligence of its designer would make me weigh in for the WD
- none of that should imply I do not also hold GK, its products and RAG in high regard!
Love the GK-It is not going anywhere
 
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I’ve tried to search. Haven’t quite found the answer.

I love my 6x10 Mesa Cab. I used to drive it with a solid state Carvin head. But I want to move to an all-tube setup. But I don’t -think- I need a huge setup. I just want to be able to hear the bass over the drums and guitar during the practice.

Will 300W work? Or do I need to go to 800? I’ve never owned an Ampeg or a Bassman. But I’d really like the warmth of a tube setup.

Advise/suggestions?

The best advice that I can give is to haul your 610 to a music store that has an SVT or a Super Bassman in stock. Plug it into your cabinet, and crank it up.

I also wouldn’t limit myself to only all tube heads. Even though it doesn’t contain tubes, the Aguilar Tonehammer 500 sounds pretty tube-like to me.

I also love G-K heads. Especially the 1001RB. It can get brutally loud at 4 ohms.

I briefly played a Mesa WD-800 through my PH610 before I put the cabinet on layaway. I liked the tone of the WD-800, and I really didn’t mess with the settings at all. If you’re looking to try a hybrid head with your 610, this would be one of the first one’s I’d check out. Another hybrid head that I love the Ampeg SVT-4 Pro.
 
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