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How much do you practice; how much could you practice?

I have over 6000 pieces of sheet music to read and hopefully memorize. Memorization is my weak link right now and I am thinking on ideas to improve this issue. My sight reading is getting pretty good, but I work everyday on it.

I know you have a good handle on theory, etc, but I gotta ask... How helpful is having 6000 pieces of sheet music hanging over your head? Is that even reasonable? I've found that getting rid of the "pie in the sky" goals have helped me focus better.

I've also found that for some reason (for me anyway) sight reading and memorization were inversely related, i.e., the more I sight read, the worse my memory got. Since when gigging, memory is more important, I pretty much dropped reading. Now my memory is much stronger, since I have to actually focus on hearing the changes and the harmony in my head without the paper crutch.

My personal opinion is that if you're not in a pit orchestra or a studio mercenary (or something like that), sight reading is way overrated. This only applies to MY personal situation though.

Take my comments with as much salt as you need.
 
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Good comments!

I started my files maybe 15 years ago and hoard every piece of sheet music because you never know when you will need a particular song.

I get calls to learn 50 covers in a week -if I have sheet music, the work is a lot less. The other thing, is to learn new techniques or artist styles. Vulfpeck? - never heard of them. Last night, I saw a video of them posted on TB and I said "Crap!, I should have gotten all their sheet music". Joe Dart is cool. I have 6000 files, but some songs use 5 files and some files are anthologies with a hundred songs. 6000 is a large number until you do 20 songs a day. I look at it like its a library. I am not going to read every book, but its there if I need it.

The only thing that may be a downside is that sight reading and on-the-spot ear training need to be balanced. I let Youtube often pick the songs for me. If I can't play it by ear, I go looking for the file. I have played everything from Abba to Zappa.


Tonight, I am going to be playing a blues jam. So I am going to dig into my folders for BB King, Albert King, Freddie King, Clapton, etc. You can visually scan a file in less than 30 seconds, rather than play through the whole thing which takes 3 to 4 minutes.

I pick stuff to play at random, time permitting. Anything by James Jamerson, Tommy Cogbill, Duck Dunn, Ed King etc always gets a look over. Some stuff will probably never get looked unless some one calls a Paul Anka tune.

As mentioned elsewhere, I keep a running list of stuff I have done in Excel including youtube file locations.

My sheet music memorization is poor, but I am working on techniques to improve it. I am now memorizing music by artists. I took the Steely Dan Book to bed with me last night. Reading sheet music gives you an opportunity to assess the music as a whole, including the parts for other instruments.
 
Also, if you are reading transcriptions, remember that they are only approximate. The Steely Dan "Do It Again" riff is pretty easy but Brecker noodled a lot behind it.

The map is not the territory.
 
Well, I can appreciate your devotion to the music. I gig fairly regularly, but I don't currently get a lot of sub calls and generally when I did, I would turn them down. Since I have a the day job, house etc. to deal with, I don't really want to play all the time. I just like the band I have and the vibe we bring. I like the idea of studying just for its own sake. But if I hear a band I dig, it prolly wouldn't occur to me to get all their sheet music. Like in the case of Vulfpeck, I dig their stuff and might learn a song or two just to learn the vibe, but realistically, I don't see myself playing their stuff in public.

Pop tunes are pretty easy in general and I can learn those in 10 minutes or so if it's classic rock or something like that. Modern music, especially R&B takes somewhat longer. But, if I was doing a sub for a Steely Dan tribute band, (which I would really be into), then I'd be screwed, because the music is too complex to learn in a week and my drop off in reading would mean that it would be a missed opportunity. I'm prolly not gonna memorize "Aja" in 10 minutes, lol... But how often is that gonna happen anyway?
 
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One can spend hours working on the nuances of a particular player on just a simple blues song (like Willie Weeks, Jermott Johnson, Lamar Williams or Berry Oakley). Most people quit once they know they know the chords. Making the perfect pocket, getting the right fingering.....

I will memorize Aja tonight before I leave to play and let you know what I find out.
 
I don't practice per se.
I've done my deeds, I know my scales and where to find the notes I need and after a few decades doing it it isn't something you can forget.
Bass isn't a very physically demanding instrument that would require constant physical training like trumpet or violin.
You can easily spend a few weeks not playing, come back to the instrument and play without any trouble.
I learn songs or build lines when I need to, that's it.
 
One can spend hours working on the nuances of a particular player on just a simple blues song (like Willie Weeks, Jermott Johnson, Lamar Williams or Berry Oakley). Most people quit once they know they know the chords. Making the perfect pocket, getting the right fingering.....

I will memorize Aja tonight before I leave to play and let you know what I find out.


Aja is pretty dense as far as theory. No luck
 
Practice enough to feed your talent, not your OCD.

I am OCD and now at age 60 whilst i still play my bass as often as possible every day i play for the love of it and in practicing repetitions it is like meditation and with the by product of forming my personal growth in technique

With this approach i no longer suffer anxiety of ‘having to learn something ...

My ocd extends to having a library of bass and guitar books that would take two life times to master ...

OCD is difficult to live with and in my experience manifests in many ways ...through persistence and with support i have figured out some ways to turn a dis advantage into a positive ... other people may disagree but i believe it is impossible to be outrightly free from it,, at best it can be managed ...

The people in the band i am in like my playing and my wife says to me that i am in a better space when i am in a band as compared to isolating at home without an outlet and just sitting in my music room pursuing repetitous practice ...

One problem for me is, with ocd is i feel obligated to justify why i pracrice so much and i quote things like teachers have said at different stages of my life... like practice, practice , practice ... but people like my wife who know me really well see through that ... and she says that i dont need to try to justify it .... she is trained dancer from her earlier life so she has some insight into learning and types abd methids of practice ... so for me hiding behind an unjustified justification is obvious to her ... and she is a great support for me ... albeit i can frustrate her at times ...

Interestingly, my son who plays professionally is not ocd , and his approach to learning is very different to mine and his playing approach also very different to mine ...

He tells me , Dad ... sorry but i just cant sit in a room trying to learn a basic technique going over and over ...

I can only speak for myself and i respect everyone is different , but i feel that being prone to ocd is like a development disorder and impedes learning

I use to believe i was a slow learner because of intellectual capacity, but over the years i have managed to gain qualification on some complex subjects ... over a long period of time ... so what i believe now is that i do have the capability to learn, but ocd as a problem similar to addiction interferes with that

A further problem in suffering ocd is low self esteem and in my case i find it hard to actually believe i am a person with talent ... so in respone to the quote, whilst i would love to feed my talent i have found other ways to cope .,. I now see it more as a meditative type thing.

some of my best experiences is when i close my eyes playing with the band and zoning out to the band and play on auto pilot in response to what i am hearing

This puts me in a position of playing in a supportive approach and slightly behind the beat as compared leading the charge, so to speak

I was in a conversation recently and several non band people i know were saying the bass should lead ... that is not a natural thing for me ...

My son encourages me by often reminding me i am too hard on myself and after coming to our last gig he said the bass sounded great ...

So i work within the acceptance of what i am, and yes i feed my ocd because on some days, thats as good as it gets ...within all of this i understand and accept that i have to take responsibility for ocd, and i do,

Ocd is not an excuse as such

And another i notice is that In spite of repititious practice at home, it doesnt seem to translate into what i play in the band .... i havent figured out why that is , but i have watched a lot if video of my hands when playing in the band and i am not playing things that i have sat at home and dine in repetition ... that probably sounds crazy but i thinks it like what my wife says, that some how i am different when i am in the band space ....

But in my private space , i feed it in that i play every day and it is nothing for me to put in a 6 hour day on the bass when i have a day off work ... one good thing is i was taught well in basic technique in the sense that my form is good enough to have prevented injury ... i sometimes feel a twinge here or there but in the main my approach in technique is relaxed and whilst i suffer ocd to the point of spending hours on the bass, my hands and arms always feel good ...i have needed to work out decent sitting and standing posture though and have had ocd experiences with changing strap lengths to the point of insanity ... but in all of that i basically figured out what works for me and what doesnt ...

I also enjoy seeing bands with live music and i often feel that the better players are not better because of technical virtuosity, but moreso that they look good when they play and everything just seems to fall into place ... i believe that people like that are ,talented , no doubt they work hard and practice ... but its like they have the x factor and the x factor in my mind does not stem from ocd ...

As too how much could i practice, as an ocd person .... all day long and without a sense of effort ....but in that, i dont think its the best way to practice ‘learning something ... and if it does surmount to a form of learning, its the long slow way to achieve it ...

Rossa
 
I am OCD and now at age 60 whilst i still play my bass as often as possible every day i play for the love of it and in practicing repetitions it is like meditation and with the by product of forming my personal growth in technique

With this approach i no longer suffer anxiety of ‘having to learn something ...

My ocd extends to having a library of bass and guitar books that would take two life times to master ...

OCD is difficult to live with and in my experience manifests in many ways ...through persistence and with support i have figured out some ways to turn a dis advantage into a positive ... other people may disagree but i believe it is impossible to be outrightly free from it,, at best it can be managed ...

The people in the band i am in like my playing and my wife says to me that i am in a better space when i am in a band as compared to isolating at home without an outlet and just sitting in my music room pursuing repetitous practice ...

One problem for me is, with ocd is i feel obligated to justify why i pracrice so much and i quote things like teachers have said at different stages of my life... like practice, practice , practice ... but people like my wife who know me really well see through that ... and she says that i dont need to try to justify it .... she is trained dancer from her earlier life so she has some insight into learning and types abd methids of practice ... so for me hiding behind an unjustified justification is obvious to her ... and she is a great support for me ... albeit i can frustrate her at times ...

Interestingly, my son who plays professionally is not ocd , and his approach to learning is very different to mine and his playing approach also very different to mine ...

He tells me , Dad ... sorry but i just cant sit in a room trying to learn a basic technique going over and over ...

I can only speak for myself and i respect everyone is different , but i feel that being prone to ocd is like a development disorder and impedes learning

I use to believe i was a slow learner because of intellectual capacity, but over the years i have managed to gain qualification on some complex subjects ... over a long period of time ... so what i believe now is that i do have the capability to learn, but ocd as a problem similar to addiction interferes with that

A further problem in suffering ocd is low self esteem and in my case i find it hard to actually believe i am a person with talent ... so in respone to the quote, whilst i would love to feed my talent i have found other ways to cope .,. I now see it more as a meditative type thing.

some of my best experiences is when i close my eyes playing with the band and zoning out to the band and play on auto pilot in response to what i am hearing

This puts me in a position of playing in a supportive approach and slightly behind the beat as compared leading the charge, so to speak

I was in a conversation recently and several non band people i know were saying the bass should lead ... that is not a natural thing for me ...

My son encourages me by often reminding me i am too hard on myself and after coming to our last gig he said the bass sounded great ...

So i work within the acceptance of what i am, and yes i feed my ocd because on some days, thats as good as it gets ...within all of this i understand and accept that i have to take responsibility for ocd, and i do,

Ocd is not an excuse as such

And another i notice is that In spite of repititious practice at home, it doesnt seem to translate into what i play in the band .... i havent figured out why that is , but i have watched a lot if video of my hands when playing in the band and i am not playing things that i have sat at home and dine in repetition ... that probably sounds crazy but i thinks it like what my wife says, that some how i am different when i am in the band space ....

But in my private space , i feed it in that i play every day and it is nothing for me to put in a 6 hour day on the bass when i have a day off work ... one good thing is i was taught well in basic technique in the sense that my form is good enough to have prevented injury ... i sometimes feel a twinge here or there but in the main my approach in technique is relaxed and whilst i suffer ocd to the point of spending hours on the bass, my hands and arms always feel good ...i have needed to work out decent sitting and standing posture though and have had ocd experiences with changing strap lengths to the point of insanity ... but in all of that i basically figured out what works for me and what doesnt ...

I also enjoy seeing bands with live music and i often feel that the better players are not better because of technical virtuosity, but moreso that they look good when they play and everything just seems to fall into place ... i believe that people like that are ,talented , no doubt they work hard and practice ... but its like they have the x factor and the x factor in my mind does not stem from ocd ...

As too how much could i practice, as an ocd person .... all day long and without a sense of effort ....but in that, i dont think its the best way to practice ‘learning something ... and if it does surmount to a form of learning, its the long slow way to achieve it ...

Rossa
Interesting post. Thank you for sharing. One of my brothers kids is OCD, so I know a little about it.

Do you play any Bach? I don't play any pieces over and over again except Bach and Sor - which brings me that meditation bliss you described.

I am definitely not into repetition. I discovered "perfect practicing" many years ago, to minimize the number of times I had to play a piece to master it. Perfect Practicing was perhaps the most significant thing I learned in music.

I do obsess over getting things right - technique and music wise, but I look at that as a process of discovery that makes me a better musician.
 
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Well, I can appreciate your devotion to the music. I gig fairly regularly, but I don't currently get a lot of sub calls and generally when I did, I would turn them down. Since I have a the day job, house etc. to deal with, I don't really want to play all the time. I just like the band I have and the vibe we bring. I like the idea of studying just for its own sake. But if I hear a band I dig, it prolly wouldn't occur to me to get all their sheet music. Like in the case of Vulfpeck, I dig their stuff and might learn a song or two just to learn the vibe, but realistically, I don't see myself playing their stuff in public.

Pop tunes are pretty easy in general and I can learn those in 10 minutes or so if it's classic rock or something like that. Modern music, especially R&B takes somewhat longer. But, if I was doing a sub for a Steely Dan tribute band, (which I would really be into), then I'd be screwed, because the music is too complex to learn in a week and my drop off in reading would mean that it would be a missed opportunity. I'm prolly not gonna memorize "Aja" in 10 minutes, lol... But how often is that gonna happen anyway?
I got a call this morning from a smooth jazz guy wanting someone to do Steely Dan songs for some shows. I am out playing so I referred him to try someone else. Hopefully, he will use me for a later gig.
 
Im 42 and have been really serious about my playing for about 5 years. Been at it for 15 years or so. A day does not go by with out me practicing. Most days I'm up early before work and try to put in an hour. I have a two year old so, im pretty much done when she wakes. Durring the work day i obsess over getting better amd wish i was practicing lol. At night i put in a couple of hours. I try to break up my sessions. Play some jazz lessons for 15 min, run throught new approaches to scale tones and tension notes 15 to 20 min. I have been playing along with cello drones. The thing is i wanna be good enough to fit in any scenario. Even tho im consided "really good" in my city and get the call. I dont feel it. My problem is I compare myself to my heros. Which in reality i have come to the conclusion that, i will never reach their level because, i have a day job four kids and other responsibilities. Those guys get to play all the time.
 
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I couldn't resist hahaha (basketball fans will know what I'm talking about lol).
 
If I hear a song live or on the car radio or a song that gets called a t a jam that I can't play the original part from memory, I text the name to myself and add it to my practice list.

Typical excerpt from list

Aretha Franklin Dr. Feel Good
Aretha Franklin Baby I Love You
Aretha Franklin I never loved a Man
Aretha cuts
Chain of fools
Rocksteady (!)
I wish
Gimme a reason
When Love Comes to Town
Id rather go blind
Take me to the river
Great Italian Bassist
I Want You Back - Jackson Five (Wilton Felder)
Hold On Im Coming Sam & Dave
Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes (Jamerson)
No Reply At All - Genesis (Rutherford)
The Story In Your Eyes - Moody Blues (Lodge)
Afro Celt Sound System - Release
Closer to the heart Rush
CCR Looking out My Backdoor
Bye American Pie
Stop Dragging my Heart around
Billy Joel - Tell Her About It (Official Video)
Hysteria
Rolling Stoned Robin Trower
Jeff Healey with Marcus Miller (Good blues riffs)
My Feeling for the Blues Freddie King
Memphis Stew Live
Aint got no, I got Life
 
I don't think gift matters that much. Because in the long run, the gifted ones, and those without gift that worked hard, they reach the same "plateau" of skill. So peek at the end of the road. If you are gifted, it will be easy. Otherwise, you will have to work hard and learn, step by step. Think "decades" of work to master the instrument. Imagine how better you will be after 5 years, 10 years of playing. Now, imagine how even better you will be 10 more years later ? I spent a minimum of one hour playing on my bass each day. I also spent time playing with knobs, the amp, effects, finding the notes for a song I like "by ear" instead of going the easy way for tablatures online. Two hours per day every day is my current regime. I turn off the PC, phone, and it's me, my bass and my little Fender 15 Watt amp.