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How much should a bass setup cost?

There are a number of arguments against using measurements. The fact that changes occur between set ups is the reason for the set up. It has nothing to do with measuring. In fact, that is what is being measured.

Logging and maintaining data is the only sure way to repeat a desirable set up. Like a screwdriver, it is merely another tool.

Those who "go by feel" are measuring with their fingers and eyes. Stradivarius didn't have a long throat dial caliper to measure the thickness of the spruce when graduating his violin tops. He measured by eye and by feel. And while the local tech might not be a Stradivarius, he is doing the exact same thing. So is everyone else who works with their hands.

Preamble

Set up is, and always should be, a cooperative affair between guitar, player, and tech. Note that guitar comes first in this relationship and that they are in order of importance. Since the guitar cannot speak to the tech the player must make their wishes know first. A set up, like just about every other thing in the world, is only as good as the data provided by the player and the guitar itself. The only way the guitar can speak is for the tech to take measurements, either by eye or by device.

A man walks into a bar...

The average player walks into a repair shop with their instrument. They ask to have their instrument set up. The tech asks them how they want it. The player replies, "As low as it will go without buzzing." The tech sets the instrument up to that specification. When the player gets the instrument and plays it he is unhappy. He blames the tech for not following the instruction, or incompetence, or a host of other crimes against nature. But the tech did as he was told.

There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone and everything (including the instrument) in this typical scenario. Leaving blame out of the picture, it comes down to poor communication on both parts. How to fix this?

Communication Breakdown

First things first, the player and tech need to define some terms up front. One man's buzz is another mans joy. So what exactly does the player mean by his terms. Low? Buzz? What they can do talk about the current set up. Is it good? Too high? Too low? Too buzzy? Not enough buzz? The player should then be asked to play for a few minutes so the tech can observe their technique. Does the player dig in or have a feather light touch? Does the left hand skate across the strings or is there heavy use of side to side vibrato and bending? All of these things need to be known if the tech is to be successful in producing a set up that will satisfy the player's demands.

Having a few instruments set up differently would go a long way to helping. That would mean having at least three electric guitars, three acoustic guitars, and three basses in stock. Each instrument is set up high, medium, or low, hanging on the wall for folks to play and see what they like. That means several thousand dollars of extra "tools" hanging in the shop. Of course, those instruments will require regular maintenance including new strings. Not out of the question for a music store but not realistic for most dedicated repair shops.

...but not in front of the others!

Most players don't know enough about their instruments to communicate their desires clearly. That's why it's important for them to play for the tech. Most players are unwilling to do this. That's because most players never take their guitar out of the house and so they are uncomfortable playing in front of people, even an audience of one.

Approval is important in any relationship

Another thing that should be a part of the process: The player should play the new set up in the shop before paying and leaving. Immediate feedback should be given to the tech. If time permits, any changes can be made on the spot.

Once the set up is approved, the data is logged by the tech. The next time the guitar comes in it is a simple matter to return it to the optimum set up. Or, if the player decides to take a crack at himself, he can use that data to quickly set up his own guitar.

So who's in charge here?

The player is always in control of the set up. However, we've left out the third party in all of this: The guitar itself. The guitar is going to determine what can and cannot be done. For example, it is not unusual that the player is unhappy with the set up when the problem is that the frets need to be dressed. Believe it or not, many (most?) players are not aware that frets can be dressed. The loyal readers of H,S,&R aside, many players think that either frets don't show wear, that they don't play enough for the frets to wear, and assume that the frets must be removed and replaced to remedy the situation. Many players believe their guitars to be perfect when they leave the factory. The fact that most guitars come from the factory with just o.k. fretwork doesn't register. In this situation, sometimes the tech doesn't want to tell the player for fear that they will think that he is suggesting expensive repair work to make more money. Or if the tech does inform the player of the need for this service the player turns it down. This is just one possible situation of which there are many.

These are just a few solutions to solve the problems and that exist in the guitar, player, and tech relationship. Communication goes a long way to solving these problems. Measuring and logging data is a tool that defines the process.
 
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Truth is that this is relatively easy and most people do it. But if you need professional level setup where everything is tightly measured and the results repeatable every timeyou need more than that.

I've played bass for 30 years, professional (i.e. my primary source of income) for about half of that, played with people you've heard of, was endorsed by several companies. How "professional" you want? I've done what your talking about in about 45 min, unless it was REALLY bad. I had one take an hour and a half. The more you do it the quicker you can do it. (I used to charge people to do it. I even let them watch and show them how if they wanted, because EVERY ONE should no how to do this. You too can do a "professional" setup. It just takes practice.)
 
I haven't gotten a good setup for less than $75-100 in years, in Nashville and Seattle. I learned to do my own a bit ago, though, and generally do them myself now. I will say that I am extremely picky about how my basses are setup, so I find the best in the area (Mike Lull here in Seattle, if I run into a setup issue I can't solve myself), so that influences the price I expect to pay.
 
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My point was that the OP was just asking about the cost of setups and the chorus of "do it yourself" was obvious and ponderous.
you're right: it is sort of a 'knee jerk'. but no matter the perceived attitude of the posters, it is actually good advice for the OP, IMO.

also: i'm thinking that learning how to do basic setups on your basses is also a good way to learn some respect for what the instrument does (and how it can work for the player). it helps with the 'bonding', IMO.

and you're right again...it's all good! :thumbsup:
 
I've played bass for 30 years, professional (i.e. my primary source of income) for about half of that, played with people you've heard of, was endorsed by several companies. How "professional" you want? I've done what your talking about in about 45 min, unless it was REALLY bad. I had one take an hour and a half. The more you do it the quicker you can do it. (I used to charge people to do it. I even let them watch and show them how if they wanted, because EVERY ONE should no how to do this. You too can do a "professional" setup. It just takes practice.)

Then maybe your experience is such that for you a home-made setup is a professional-grade setup. BUT do not assume that most people can also do it well enough. Most people do not know how the rod even works! I can also do some basics and i have settling with setting up my cheaper instuments but they are always a step worse than when they are done professionally. The devil in the details. . Also inexperienced people trying to setup their own instrument may not spot the signs of a future problem. or may create a new one for themselves damaging something.

My most expensive bass was damaged by a friend and an inexperiended tech who thought that they knew it all concerning setups. I am trying now to find a solution for a second problem , the first one was a hack to fix the truss rod's stripped nut[it worked]. If this was spotted 3-4 years ago it would be really a smaller headache for me.
 
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Anyone can learn how to do a setup. A surprising number of those that have learned how still mess it up. And that's on straight-forward setups without complications. It's when the complications arise that you want someone handling your instrument that has a good deal of experience.
 
If the OP does care to try their hand at this, afterall, then it can be tackled (for the most part), with one mini and one regular screwdriver (usually Philips), a little set of allen wrenches, a tuner of any kind, a short cable, and for me, a plastic razor blade. I've needed that last piece for carefully prying up tight cavity covers, stuck truss covers, etc. I fit it all in a handy little pouch that my ex got me as a stocking stuffer! :p
 
After calling around and getting prices recently the quotes for a basic setup I received were: $60 at one shop, $65 at another and $185 from yet another guy but this guy is a known name in the industry; works with famous people.

I agree with Gluvhand to an extent. I do not want to do it myself. I'd rather take it to a pro and have it done right the first time.

That said I already taught myself how to do the basic adjustments on my bass by reading a book and watching several how to videos. I have the tools for the most part already in my work shop.

I can see myself eventually doing it myself but for now I would prefer someone that actually does this for a living...working on my bass guitars.
 
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So the other day I called up my local guitar store. I asked what the cost of a setup is. They informed me that it was $50 USD for just a basic setup. I was blown away! I never thought that it would be so expensive! How much do you think a setup should cost?


Don't know offhand. When I bought my first "keeper' bass I thought setting up was highly technical , complicated and not for such rank noobs as myself.

This quickly went away when I discovered my fear was a 'paper tiger'.

The steps for setting up are quite easy to learn and doable provided there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the bass.

You don't have to use exact measurements like " it must be 'xx'x thousandths of an inch clearance at the 7th fret.." etc.etc.

A lot of it you can "eyeball" and go by "feel" as well.

Now that I look back at the number of setups I've done on my basses at, say, $50 bucks a crack.....I've probably saved over $1000 dollars......:).........:woot::woot::woot:


 
If you are doing your own setups, going by strict micro-measurements by the book is not always good.

Because (as may have been mentioned):-

When you adjust the truss rod,put strings on and tune up :- then look down the neck (from both ends not just one):-

Many a time one side of the neck will not be quite the same as the other. For example the E side (4 string) may have more forward bow on it than the G side slightly.

So this may effect the end result you will settle for and you need to 'compromise'.

I have two basses that are like this. I don't mind the G side being a little flatter than the E side after I'm all done. The G side string is smaller thinner than the E, so it will go flatter without buzzing.

These days I do all of that by "eyeball". The only time I use a gauge is to get string height at the 12th fret. I personally like about 2 millimeters on the E and 1.75 mm on the G. ( 2mm on the A...and around 1..85mm on the D).

Sometimes I've done three setups on the same bass in a day when I'm having a hissy-fit over which strings I like.
 
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So the other day I called up my local guitar store. I asked what the cost of a setup is. They informed me that it was $50 USD for just a basic setup. I was blown away! I never thought that it would be so expensive! How much do you think a setup should cost?
I've played bass for 30 years, professional (i.e. my primary source of income) for about half of that, played with people you've heard of, was endorsed by several companies. How "professional" you want? I've done what your talking about in about 45 min, unless it was REALLY bad. I had one take an hour and a half. The more you do it the quicker you can do it. (I used to charge people to do it. I even let them watch and show them how if they wanted, because EVERY ONE should no how to do this. You too can do a "professional" setup. It just takes practice.)

Old thread but IMO an important subject.

And I disagree. A basic intonation and 12th fret action adjustment - yes, a DIY job...with education.

But that's not, IMO, a professional setup. Neck relief needs to be checked, and on some bases - like dual trussrod Rickenbackers - NOT adjusted by amateurs because they take a completely different adjustment method. Roughly a 15-30 minute job IF the neck does not need to be removed to adjust the rod. Then it might take an hour of back-and-forth.

And one of the MOST critical parts of setting string action is starting (after adjusting relief, and assuming the frets are even/level/crowned) with the action at the 1st fret. That requires the proper....not inexpensive...tools and the knowledge of how to properly cut a nut slightly deeper; fill and recut it a bit higher; or make a nut from scratch. The tools alone - for one general set of string gages, with a little leeway, cost $150 to $300 or so. For TWO dual-gaged files.

Re-cutting or making a nut goes beyond "minor setup" level.

After that's done - anywhere from 10 minutes to about an hour (t0 fabricate a new nut), THEN the action can be set higher up the neck and the intonation set.

BUT - if the frets are not even that's a moot point, and they'll need at minimum a light fret dressing - level, crown, round the fret ends and polish; plus cleaning the fretboard and oiling it if rosewood, ebony or other uncoated wood. That goes beyond "minor setup".

And THOSE tools - a decent set for bass work alone - run roughly $200-300. Yes, all these tools do more than one job, but they don't last forever. And a good fret dressing takes at least an hour.

After that's all done there are finishing touches - adjusting pickup height for balance (with multiple pickups), tone and sustain, and cleaning/lubricating the switch(es) and pots. Another 15 minutes or so.

Independent shops with overhead - at least around here - charge $75/ hour for labor only. after factoring rent, power, tools, and other overhead items $75/hour actually means little in the way of actual "income".

And if you add up ALL the tome included in a typical setup - relief checked/adjusted; minor fret leveling/crown/round/polish; minor adjustment at the nut; 12th fret action adjustment; intonation adjustment; electronics maintenance -

It's somewhere between 2-3 hours work if there are NO phone calls, walk-ins etc.

So an average setup around L.A. is $150 and up - really dependent on the type of neck attachment, condition of the frets and the nut (nut replacements alone run $50-100). If NO fret or nut work is involved $75 is about average.

The average instrument owner SHOULD be able to adjust action and intonation, and spray Caig D5 clean/lube on the pots and switches. But adjusting truss rods is a tricky operation on any instrument, and nut/fret work are best left to pros or very knowledgable and properly educated owners. Otherwise instruments can be damaged.

Last - EVERY standard production instrument from a major manufacturer that I have inspected in the last 5 years or so...with the exception of Custom Shop instruments...has had 1st fret action that was ridiculously high. Doesn't matter whether the instruments are made in the US, Germany, Mexico, Canada, China, Japan, Indonesia, whatever - they ALL need major setups.

Obviously the cost of a major setup on a $200 guitar is prohibitive, so every shop I know does as much as they can to make the instrument easy to play and undercharges - because we all understand being 19 years old, in a band and needing help. But as players become more experienced they get "trained" in the realities of labor costs and overhead - and professionals have no problem paying fair prices for quality work.

Even when I ran a licensed business out of my home with little "shop overhead" $50 would barely cover my costs just to take an instrument out of the case and do a 30-minute, check nothing string change. If the player brought the strings. So a $50 setup being thought of as absurd or "expensive" I think is simply due to ignorance (that's not an insult - it just means lack of knowledge).
 
It is your opinion and I really don't care. All your "opinions" are based on strawmen that you set that I never address in my answer because had nothing to do with my point which was and still is "EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SET UP THIER BASS! PERIOD. It's NOT hard".
 
So the other day I called up my local guitar store. I asked what the cost of a setup is. They informed me that it was $50 USD for just a basic setup. I was blown away! I never thought that it would be so expensive! How much do you think a setup should cost?
That sounds about right. That seems like a price I'd charge someone. If you dont want to pay for the time it takes someone to do it, do it yourself.
 
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SET UP THIER BASS! PERIOD. It's NOT hard
Perhaps everyone should know how to set up their bass, but not everyone should attempt it. One of my player friends is such a klutz that he will round out any hex key socket at his first attempt and mash every screw head he touches in an instant. His adjustments will be way off and in the process of trying to address fret buzzing issues he is bound to break some wire connections. I kid you not. He actually did this. More than once. For some folks you have to say "Just put down the tools. Step away from the bass".
 
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