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How to get 60/70's style reggae sound ?

I heard almost every major reggae bassist live that was touring in the late '70s, and few had the same tone, or even similar. What they all had was the ability to use what they had (and this was often very sophisticated equipment for the time) to best effect.

Lloyd Parkes had a straight up P with flats through an SVT type tone, a bit overdriven, as did Fully Fullwood, both mic'ed. Family Man went for the cleanest biggest tone he could find, with Ampeg and then Acoustic, through trace and now Eden. Robbie Shakespeare had clean but more heavily fattened up by EQ tones with his Jazz and Steinberger, probably direct, and Flabba Holt got a huge, wide and very thick tone from his Jazz and Hofners, often with a sub harmonic device of some sort. I think the thing they all had in common was flatwounds, and at those levels and with the space around the instruments you could really hear the tone they got clearly and feel it deeply in your bones.

I agree reggae bass is all about feel, but these guys knew exactly what they wanted to sound like, and used room acoustics to great effect, too. I rarely hear modern reggae bassists who have the personality to their tones as did the players from that era, probably because of the trend for huge clean almost synth like recorded bass tones these days.

The engineers from that period were real geniuses, too, and really knew how bring out a bass' personality in the mix. I'm still astounded at sounds on some of the old Studio One stuff, even with the crappiest mics and basic boards and amps, and the warmth and fullness of Jackie Jackson's Jazz at Treasure Island, and the bass tones that came out of Channel One studio later on, for example, are just mind blowing. I can still remember the way those Channel One 12" singles sounded the first time I heard them over 20 000w+ tube driven sound systems, and have spent a good part of my life chasing that kind of a buzz.
 
Chaps,
I think your missing the point,....
the point being, most of the classic ' dub/ reggae' of the late 60's n 70's, was recorded on old fat 2" 4track tape , and later the 8 tracks, with the most important part being, the interplay between the kit and bass. mostly because it was recorded at the same time, in the same room,bounced to the same track with minimal screening between amps / kit etc... so bleedthru was quite a ting, n all.
THIS is the magic sound you hear , Oh, as well as having some fine outboard - the Pultecs / Fairchilds, Altec EQ's compressors, as well as a handfull of Neve stuff....
But the good lord Scratch, in Black Ark, got some of the most 'atmospheric' real, warm fat bass that you'd ever hear - Old Soundcraft 400 / Tascam tape machine..........
......and..... burying your master tapes in the backyard.....
got to avoid the duppies y'now.

Peace and lots of smokin was also the key........

KS
:)
 
+1 flats or rounds with tone rolled way off for the early stuff. some of that tone is really loud low mids slightly overdriven. a lot of bass guitar at these frequencies will crowd the mix in a good way.

tone aside:

a lot of the trick with reggae is knowing when to and not to use rests and staccato and proper interplay with the kick and guitar.

a lot of reggae bass is 'dubby' but some players use a small bit of a plucky click (more 80s stuff) on moving lines to simulate a unison guitar if the guitar is playing stabs on the up beat. for a dancehall type sound get a 5 string bass, and an octaver and mix in a lot of oct below signal.

even better than fingers may one of those felt picks.
 
Chaps,
I think your missing the point,....
the point being, most of the classic ' dub/ reggae' of the late 60's n 70's, was recorded on old fat 2" 4track tape , and later the 8 tracks, with the most important part being, the interplay between the kit and bass. mostly because it was recorded at the same time, in the same room,bounced to the same track with minimal screening between amps / kit etc... so bleedthru was quite a ting, n all.
THIS is the magic sound you hear , Oh, as well as having some fine outboard - the Pultecs / Fairchilds, Altec EQ's compressors, as well as a handfull of Neve stuff....
But the good lord Scratch, in Black Ark, got some of the most 'atmospheric' real, warm fat bass that you'd ever hear - Old Soundcraft 400 / Tascam tape machine..........
......and..... burying your master tapes in the backyard.....
got to avoid the duppies y'now.

Peace and lots of smokin was also the key........

KS
:)

Yes, the OP was how to get that sound on your live bass rig. It's one of those things like you say that was such a product of the times and the situation and the period techniques, you really can't just dial it in, even if you have the exact same gear. We could go on and on about how to PLAY reggae and dub--which in the end is a spiritual thing anyway---you just have to be either be predisposed to feeling it to begin with, or play it a LOT. But as for the signature sound of the classics, it's like trying to make your rock band sound like Exile on Main Street at your next gig-it's one of those sonic Holy Grails, that while you can't ever really achieve it, it's certainly inspiring to try!
 
these guys knew exactly what they wanted to sound like

...

spent a good part of my life chasing that kind of a buzz.

this might be the magic of playing, listening, and living music. OneDrop, you know your roots reggae, I'd love to hear some stories of the classic soundsystems and bands that you seem to have seen in the past.

play it a LOT

yes man. reggae might have a simple formula, but the magic of those roots grooves is unmistakable. I've found myself floating away from the jazz curriculum in school to spend more and more time with those dub heavy grooves.

And everyone is getting at it in their posts, the more you feel the rhythm, the more you play and listen to reggae, the more your reggae sound will come through.

For the record, my main bass at reggae shows is my P-bass with flats. I'm still trying to figure out how Aston Barret and Robbie Shakepeare get such warmth with the jazz bass. I'm working on it, but as it's been said before, it takes time.
 
I don't play reggae regularly, when I do it's with roundwounds going into a 3-way cab. I can get right in the ballpark though, simply by rolling off a hella lot above 800 Hz or so, with some emphasis added around 250 to 300 Hz. The guys Clinton Fearon has had on bass the past few years have got me listening back again and using my hands differently.
 
For the record, my main bass at reggae shows is my P-bass with flats. I'm still trying to figure out how Aston Barret and Robbie Shakepeare get such warmth with the jazz bass. I'm working on it, but as it's been said before, it takes time.

Me too--I use either my US Glaub or my MIA P---both have well-worn in Labella flats. I have, though, also used my Jerry Jones Longhorn(also with flats) and gotten a great sound for dub and reggae.
But, in the end, lotsa things CAN work. I was on a reggae tour opening for Burning Spear some time ago, and it was very educational watching all of his band, and his guy at that time had a Hamer Cruisebass with roundwounds, so go figure.
 
This is a great thread! Thanks, One Drop for your insights.

For some of you reggae heads who are into sound system cultuer, you might be interested in my book, Wake the Town and Tell the People: Dancehall Culture in Jamaica. I spent 18months hanging out in Kingston doing research for the book. I spent a lot of time at many of the legendary studios and become an unofficial member of the Killamanjaro sound, one of Jamaica's foundational sound systems, which was started in 1969 by Noel "Papa Jaro" Harper.

We are also almost finished on a documentary on the sound system scene. Here's our trailer at YouTube

The movie features Ricky Trooper, Jaro's former top ranking selector, and now owner/operator of Sound Trooper.

Interested to know what you think of our trailer.

cheers,

Norman