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How to "manage" my wife...

Lords of the Low End... I have an issue that I could use some advice on, especially if someone else has been in the same situation. My wife has been pretty adamant that if I'm going to get involved in a musical project, that she wants to be a part of it. She has some chronic illnesses and doesn't get out much, we do like to do things together - like when she's feeling better we'll get back into ballroom dancing. She says that she wants to be in a band with me so that will be spending more time together.

Here's the thing - we're at really different places musically. She likes to perform and get the accolades that go along with it (and no judgement, that's part of playing that I like), but she's not really in to music like I am. She doesn't listen to music, and when she does it's a pretty limited selection. For me, outside of my marriage music is everything to me. It's been my oldest and best friend, it's seen me through good times and bad, and there is a soundtrack to my life.

But even more importantly (or the bigger sticking point for me) is that while I am no Jaco or Geddy, I'm reasonably proficient at my instrument, I play several others, and I can arrange as well (including horns, etc.). I also have a really good relative ear, and while my voice has seen better days, I can still hear in my head the way things should sound, and I can harmonize really well. She is an okay singer, but she feels she's much better than she is. Her voice is a bit pitchy, she can't maintain a melody in tune unless there's a band giving her the cues, and she can't pick out harmonies. I could be okay with all of that, but probably the hardest part of it all is that she won't take any critique or guidance from me.

I really miss playing. And I'd really like to have it to myself. That probably sounds selfish, but she has lots of other things - she's wicked crafty, an accomplished seamstress, can bake pro-quality wedding cakes, knits - you name it. For me, other than my work, music is the only thing I'm really good at, and outside of reading and geeking on the internet, it's pretty much my main hobby.

In closing I'll say that we've been married almost 19 years, and our marriage is strong, so please no "ditch the b----" comments. I would give up music first (well, I kind of have already in practice) because I love her and I do try to put her first as much as I can. But I'd like to have both. Has anyone else dealt with this, and if so, what did you do?
 
My wife has issues with the amount of time I devote to music....all I have are suggestions -- they may not work as you know your situation far better than I do.

1. Form two groups. One with her in it and one without her. Stack the one with her in it with like minded players.
2. Get buy-in to do your pro band, but then redirect proceeds into her hobbies as an "act of love and affirmation" for her own talents.
3. Frank discussion of why her proposal won't work and hope she understands, empathizes and validates.
4. See if she's willing to take non-musical roles.

I would do everything possible to keep her out of it if you want it to be a professional group.

Alternatively, you cut a deal where she's in the group, but not all gigs. Give the other guys some extra pay or some other concession for having her on for gigs where she can work...

This is a tough one...

Another alternative, promise some other great thing she wants in exchange for doing the band thing on your own terms. For my wife it's a trip to france.
 
Not with my wife wanting in the band. But with the amount of time I devote to music....all I have are suggestions -- they may not work as you know your situation far better than I do.

1. Form two groups. One with her in it and one without her. Stack the one with her in it with like minded players.
2. Get buy-in to do your pro band, but then redirect proceeds into her hobbies as an "act of love and affirmation" for her own talents.
3. Frank discussion of why her proposal won't work and hope she understands, empathizes and validates.
4. See if she's willing to take non-musical roles.

I would do everything possible to keep her out of it if you want it to be a professional group.

Alternatively, you cut a deal where she's in the group, but not all gigs. Give the other guys some extra pay or some other concession for having her on for gigs where she can work...

This is a tough one...

Another alternative, promise some other great thing she wants in exchange for doing the band thing on your own terms. For my wife it's a trip to france.
I like it! Definitely some good food for thought. I've tried #3 and it didn't go well, but we're all works in progress so maybe I can give another go at it. From my end, and she doesn't get this, but there's a quality bar that I'll accept and if I/we can't meet that then I'd rather do something else. Anyhow, good advice, I'll definitely give it some thought.
 
If you think that your relationship can handle it, I would suggest an honest talk. Tell her what you told us (but with different highlights). First of all, don't the pressure from one relationship to affect the other (marriage v. band). There is no reason why you shouldn't have different and individual activities. She has some, and it sounds like you don't.

This is a tough one. If you do go with the two projects, she is likely to get upset when your "other" band gigs, and your "together band" doesn't. Will she be cool with that?
 
...she won't take any critique or guidance from me.
This is common, and I have seen it in many contexts.
Will she take critique or guidance from _anyone_?
If yes, find that person.
If no -- well - I don't think I could work with a person who can't take guidance from anyone...
 
Depending on how you guys talk to each other-

1) "Hon, sweetie, you know that bands... there's always a bit of drama. It's a part of doing bands. I just don't even want there to be any mote of band drama following me home except when I'm comfortable to vent it to you, my best friend."

2) "PFFFAH! NO?! Start your own band, ya dork! If you reeeeeeally want me to play in your band, lemme know."

3) "well honey I just want it to be my artistic outlet that I do as my own thing like you have your sewing and other stuff, I kinda just want it to be mine, ya know?"
 
I would have trouble with any musician who thought they were better than they actually are—spouse, or not. Everyone should have a realistic self image; know your strengths and weaknesses, and pursue opportunities accordingly.

If I responded to a bass player wanted ad from "a pro with booked gigs" and he/she turned out to be an amateur just starting out, with no gigs booked, I would not return.

My advice is to work on a project with her that is staffed by same-level bandmates. It is a lot easier on everyone for you to be the best musician in the group, than for her to be the worst.
 
You just have to be honest with her and let her know why this isn't going to work with her and any potential band as a full time deal. It's about your dedication and any potential bandmate's dedication verses the time and effort she can put in. Perhaps tell her you can try to work it out with whatever group you are in that she can sit in a song or two when she is up to it, and try to find some middle ground while trying to accomplish what you need for yourself.

If that doesn't work, then you have to submit or find a way to stand your ground while not hurting your relationship.
 
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