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How to order your pedals: A guide to a definitive approach

Nov 29, 2008
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Almost as surely as the sun rises and sets, new threads are posted here, asking for advice on arranging pedals in a certain order. Considering that bass guitarists tend to use the same types of pedals fairly consistently, can it be true that each player’s situation is somehow so special that it requires a new analysis unlike the uncounted others before it? Sometimes maybe. But I think that the default answer is: It almost never is.

If that is true, then most players asking for this advice can benefit from the same information that would be helpful to nearly any other player asking for such advice.

Here then is that advice. Here is the information that appreciably every aspirant to pedal order happiness can use to at least set themselves on their way. It is not a concrete solution, but a guide to a definitive approach for finding your own solutions:

1. Set realistic expectations.

Accept that no pedal, neither by its design nor by your own use of it, is guaranteed to make you sound like your ideal, whether that is “the sound in your head” or a celebrity’s sound or whatever. A pedal is a tool. Like any tool, it can be used to some useful end by someone who understands what it can and cannot possibly do then learns how to use it.

2. Start with basic knowledge.

Know that each pedal is an example of a type. Some examples do more, others less; some do things better, others less well. But no one example is the be all and end all of the type, even if well meaning and enthusiastic people online tell you that it is. Understand what type of pedal yours is, and what behaviors and uses are characteristic of that type. This is about knowledge of theory, but is also related to setting realistic expectations.

3. Grow from the simple to the complex.

You own a bunch of pedals, which is great. But you don’t know how to use them together, which is possibly not great. The real point, though, is that you might not know how to use any given two of them together, not to mention several of them or the whole lot. In practice, this is the pivotal matter. The previous points dealt with theory, but this one deals with putting that theory into practice.

Get to know each pedal in use by itself. With that experience, then get to know any two given pedals in use together. Do that instead of trying to use several pedals together at once early on, which would land you back where you started, overwhelmed.

4. Prove things to yourself firsthand.

Continuing from theory, further into practice, this is the ultimate piece of advice in this guide. It is how you will finally get yourself the indisputable result of the foundation you have been building by doing the previous points first. Why indisputable? Because you yourself will prove to yourself by your own actions, observations, and thinking, what order your pedals should be in. Not theoretically. Not in general. Not for someone else. Not for the interwebs. But for you uniquely.

What you will do is try out all combinations of your pedals, in all possible orders, starting from the smallest pairings and expanding to the most complex. You will arrange, play, and listen to the full set of permutations of your pedals’ orders. Take notes as you do, since if you have a lot of pedals there will be a lot of possible combinations.

The real purpose of this step is not to learn which orders you like best; don’t worry, you will do that. Rather, it is to learn by firsthand observation what the result of each permutation is. The result doesn’t just mean the sound. It means the sound, your experience of playing and hearing it, and its usefulness in your own music making situations.

Do that thoroughly enough and you will not only prove to yourself which order of your pedals is best for you, but also (and maybe most important) you will understand why it is best on the basis of your own experience.
 
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As a pedal newb, even though I've been playing forever, something that suggests an order and explains the reasoning for that order is more helpful than, "just try different orders and combinations." Yes, of course it's up to each individual, but having a starting point makes deciding on your pedal order much easier.

I found this very helpful.

 
As a pedal newb, even though I've been playing forever, something that suggests an order and explains the reasoning for that order is more helpful than, "just try different orders and combinations." Yes, of course it's up to each individual, but having a starting point makes deciding on your pedal order much easier.

I found this very helpful.


What I get out of that video is largely, "are you setting up the tone for your distortion to kill it or are you shaping the distortion after?" And while that is a simplification it's a pretty good starting point.
 
What I get out of that video is largely, "are you setting up the tone for your distortion to kill it or are you shaping the distortion after?" And while that is a simplification it's a pretty good starting point.
Really? I get out of it that a place to start is guitar - compressor - overdrive - phase/chorus/mod - volume pedal - delay - reverb - amp. Which is just what I need to get started. Then they change pedal order and explain how changing the order affects the sound. Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't know all that.
 
Good thread! Thank you.

This is one of the perennial questions that has many answers. And most are legitimate because of this main division: what exactly are you trying to do, make distortion your most important element, or make distortion one element while maximizing the other effects (especially time-based effects)?
 
Really? I get out of it that a place to start is guitar - compressor - overdrive - phase/chorus/mod - volume pedal - delay - reverb - amp. Which is just what I need to get started. Then they change pedal order and explain how changing the order affects the sound. Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't know all that.
I mean, sure, but by extension the comp is giving the drive more sustain and the mods and delay are shaping the drive down the line.

All of their combinations in the first half were about comparing dirt before and after various effects. There's a reason for that.

Again, this is all just a jumping off point, and there's ALL kinds of caveats, but if you're drowning in options, a good place to start is, "what am I doing to this distortion."

All IMO and IME.
 
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I mean, sure, but by extension the comp is giving the drive more sustain and the mods and delay are shaping the drive down the line.

All of their combinations in the first half were about comparing dirt before and after various effects. There's a reason for that.

Again, this is all just a jumping off point, and there's ALL kinds of caveats, but if you're drowning in options, a good place to start is, "what am I doing to this distortion."

All IMO and IME.
I think knowledge level also affects how you view these videos too. When they start going into square waves and sine waves I start to glaze over like a donut. I'm at the point where I want someone to say, put this here, put that there and here's why and I'll take it from there. You obviously have more experience.
 
I think knowledge level also affects how you view these videos too. When they start going into square waves and sine waves I start to glaze over like a donut. I'm at the point where I want someone to say, put this here, put that there and here's why and I'll take it from there. You obviously have more experience.
I have been doing it for a while, but stuff still doesn't always do what I expect it to and I have to rethink my expectations.

I've also been absolutely confident in my advice to people only to find out that not everyone wants things to work the way I like them. It never even occured to me that anyone would choose the subtleties of phaser into dirt over crazy swirly madness until I argued with other people here what was best. In the end we all agreed what was happening, just that we both thought our way was the best. This is why I'm hesitant to just say, "put this here;" it turns out I'm not the arbiter of what people like.
 
I have been doing it for a while, but stuff still doesn't always do what I expect it to and I have to rethink my expectations.

I've also been absolutely confident in my advice to people only to find out that not everyone wants things to work the way I like them. It never even occured to me that anyone would choose the subtleties of phaser into dirt over crazy swirly madness until I argued with other people here what was best. In the end we all agreed what was happening, just that we both thought our way was the best. This is why I'm hesitant to just say, "put this here;" it turns out I'm not the arbiter of what people like.

I like the way you related that.

Well done, sir.
 
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You really do have to check it out. Where the compressor goes depends a lot on what you are doing with the compressor, for instance.

I found that I ended up having to put my octaver first, before the comp, but that my envelope filters sounded fine after the compressor. The EFs actually sound better as the slight decrease in dynamic range allows more of the notes across my neck to be in the dynamic sweet-spot, and the extra harmonics added by the comp give the filters more sound to process.

Very generally I like a traditional approach that harkens to subtractive analog synthesizers.

Octaver > drive/fuzz > EFs > modulation > reverb/delay.
 
Really? I get out of it that a place to start is guitar - compressor - overdrive - phase/chorus/mod - volume pedal - delay - reverb - amp. Which is just what I need to get started. Then they change pedal order and explain how changing the order affects the sound. Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't know all that.

You could just start out just by thinking deeply on what each device does by itself. Knowing something about how each one works is also helpful. Then ask yourself why you’d want it in your signal chain and what you want it to do.

For example, why put a compressor first? Why does it make sense to put the dirt up front? (Hint: it provides more harmonic information for the rest of your signal chain to work with.) And so on. This gives you a better grasp of what is actually happening at each stage in the chain And it’s ultimately more educational that getting a recipe you don’t fully understand. Because there are legitimate differences of opinion about pedal order. For example, one school says go from most transparent to strongest distortion. So: boost, overdrive, distortion, fuzz. Another school says just the opposite. Both are equally valid depending in the pedals you have and what you’re trying to accomplish.

I had a friend ask me what was the “correct” order: delay into reverb, or reverb into delay. I told him it depends on whether you want a reverberated delay or a delayed reverb effect. I prefer putting reverb last. But that’s just what I like. He might have preferred it the other way around. :)

He thought I was being sarcastic. But I was dead serious. They’re two different sounds. And if you think about it, it’s pretty obvious that they are.
 
Pedal order rules are for fools -
every possible combination
has advantages, disadvantages
the occasional chance for magic.
Dis One's bliss, another's tragic

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This is as close as I have gotten in too many years chasing perfection in function and form,
but there is still something missing but there ain't no more room.
 
You could just start out just by thinking deeply on what each device does by itself. Knowing something about how each one works is also helpful. Then ask yourself why you’d want it in your signal chain and what you want it to do.

For example, why put a compressor first? Why does it make sense to put the dirt up front? (Hint: it provides more harmonic information for the rest of your signal chain to work with.) And so on. This gives you a better grasp of what is actually happening at each stage in the chain And it’s ultimately more educational that getting a recipe you don’t fully understand. Because there are legitimate differences of opinion about pedal order. For example, one school says go from most transparent to strongest distortion. So: boost, overdrive, distortion, fuzz. Another school says just the opposite. Both are equally valid depending in the pedals you have and what you’re trying to accomplish.

I had a friend ask me what was the “correct” order: delay into reverb, or reverb into delay. I told him it depends on whether you want a reverberated delay or a delayed reverb effect. I prefer putting reverb last. But that’s just what I like. He might have preferred it the other way around. :)

He thought I was being sarcastic. But I was dead serious. They’re two different sounds. And if you think about it, it’s pretty obvious that they are.
Hold it, you want me to think for myself??? That's hard work! :D
 
I think it would be an idea to first set tonal aspirations and then look for the kind of recommendations fitting that purpose.
For example
1. Embellishing or 'improving' the natural tone of the bass. Whatever you do, you want to still 'sound like a bass'. To me this where the above sweetwater example fits, which is just fine
2. Synth bass - 'sound like a different bass instrument' octaver/pitch shift goes first - then dirt - then filter, and compressor last
3. Soundscapers - 'sound like anything but a bass' - this is where you will find reverb going into delay a lot, and on my own board: gated fuzz > fuzz > overdrive with Clean/dirt separation for the greatest range in color variation when combining dirts. A fun one can be reverb > modulation > delay. If compression, then at the end or not at all.
 
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