buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
It's not a matter of popularity. If Rush decided to add Justin Bieber as lead singer after his first hit in 2009, how do you think most fans of BOTH artists would have reacted?
Enjoy the benefits of a premium membership!
Upgrade Account
-
TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
Join free Log in
Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.
Hungry Heart. Was this record sped up drastically?
- Thread starter ElectroVibe
- Start date
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I never realized how far CT was from Mass
, he was big in Mass right from Born To Run although maybe more so on AOR FM stations than top 40 but I hadn't listened to top 40 stuff since the early 70's and didn't really know anyone who still did.I never realized how far CT was from Mass
I was in the Maryland / DC area back then and he was certainly well known there well before Born to Run was released. That song on AOR radio catapulted him to greater fame, no doubt, but "Spirit in the Night" from his first album was a cover band staple from the earliest days. "Rosalita" from his second album was, as well.
By the time Born to Run came out we were all quite familiar with him. I am not sure whether the west coast was onto him by then or not, but they certainly would have known him after that album was released.
Springsteen was able to progress musically, whereas some of his early fans didn't want change.
Change bad!
The same with a lot of early Rush fans who are still stuck in the 70s.
Yet, I know some people in their 70s and 80s who appreciate contemporary smooth jazz. While some younger jazz fans can't tolerate anything after 1965.
I'll never understand how some people's minds cannot evolve musically, it seems.
Change bad!
The same with a lot of early Rush fans who are still stuck in the 70s.
Yet, I know some people in their 70s and 80s who appreciate contemporary smooth jazz. While some younger jazz fans can't tolerate anything after 1965.
I'll never understand how some people's minds cannot evolve musically, it seems.
I was not aware of him (that i remember) until I heard Born To Run repeatedly on a jukebox in one of my hangouts, they of course started playing all his earlier stuff once that hit. Born to run is one of the most perfect singles I've ever heard, I read somewhere that they spent months on it and it shows.
Just for the heck of it:
I don't get the knock on his voice either, I think he has a great voice. This song is iconic right from the drum roll at the beginning and always brings me back to the mid 1970's.
Just for S and Gs, I offer these 15 second excerpts: 1) as recorded, 2) digitally lowered 1/2 step, at tempo, 3) slowed 4.5%, to lower 1/2 step.
Proves nothing. Just messing around.
Proves nothing. Just messing around.
Don't know if it was sped up. Not my most favorite Springsteen song + I'm not much of a Springsteen fan.
For me, one of the most disturbing "speed ups" was Layla by Derek and the Dominos (Eric Clapton) over 5% faster. That's not right!!!!!!
For me, one of the most disturbing "speed ups" was Layla by Derek and the Dominos (Eric Clapton) over 5% faster. That's not right!!!!!!
There was an actual real life occurence of this when Yes recruited trevor Horn and Geoff Downes from the Buggles.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
And they had a top 40 hit. And what did their "real" fans think of this lineup?
My point...
Springsteen had a significant following on the east coast in the late 60s and early 70s. Check youtube for SteelMill. Mostly heavy guitar driven stuff. His first album surprised most of his fans because it was mainly acoustic, not what they were expecting at all. A "What the heck is this, and where's his hair?" reaction. He got the idea for the cover from a Tim Buckley album.
Somehow he became the poster boy for the blue collar American work ethic.
Springsteen = NJ's most famous draft dodger
Hungry Heart...I read somewhere that it was Miami Steve's idea to speed it up one fret, from C to C#.
Ry Cooder proposed that a lot, if not all, of Robert Johnson's stuff was sped up. That was 1936-37. I kind of doubt it, why would they?
Somehow he became the poster boy for the blue collar American work ethic.
Springsteen = NJ's most famous draft dodger
Hungry Heart...I read somewhere that it was Miami Steve's idea to speed it up one fret, from C to C#.
Ry Cooder proposed that a lot, if not all, of Robert Johnson's stuff was sped up. That was 1936-37. I kind of doubt it, why would they?
Cleveland (OH) knew. WMMS in CLE picked up on Springsteen early on. They played a version of Born To Run that sounded more like it was recorded around the same time as Rosalita. I became an INSTANT fan.
I saw him live twice in 1975; once in Feb. and once in Aug. Soon after he went on the big hiatus (maybe 2 years?) with the management fiasco until the 'Born To Run' record came out.
John Carroll University put on a lot of concerts back then and he had no opening act, played a couple hours. Awesome.
There was a store in Kent OH. called the Kent Co-Op Store that sold tickets and records, records were 50 cents over purchase price. After the Feb. show at John Carroll I heard the Springsteen was coming to the Akron Civic Theater in August so I worked near the Kent Co-Op at the time so I bought maybe 6 or 7 tickets so my friends could go. I kept telling them "You have got to see this band."
The tickets were for rows B and C, front row being A.
They put on an unbelievable show, played at least 2 hours then did a 20 minute encore. I've never seen a band work harder for their pay than these guys, (well, maybe The Who) my friends were stunned, literally, jaws dropped. Well, I told ya!
FIVE freakin bucks a ticket. This band was already a fully functional group, totally professional and ready to entertain in 1975.
SOLD OUT shows!! 1975. We LOVED the E Street Band. When I saw him the band played NOTHING from the 'Born To Run' record. Which was released in 1975.
Last edited:
During a contractual dispute with Columbia Records (roughly 1976-78) Bruce wrote or co-wrote big hits for the Pointer Sisters ("Fire" [Billboard Number 2] ) and Patti Smith ("Because the Night" [Billboard Number 13]).
In the same time frame, Manfred Mann's Earth Band were practically a Bruce Springsteen cover band charting big hits ( "For You", "Blinded by the Light" [a Billboard Number 1] and "Spirit in the Night") all from Greetings from Asbury Park, New Jersey.
The Boss has sold over 150 million records worldwide and, admittedly Born in the USA was a popular record (it sold 15 million copies in the U.S., 30 million worldwide, and became one of the best-selling albums of all time with seven singles hitting the Top 10) but to say he would not have been well known artist had he not recorded past 1982 (a patently ridiculous notion since he has recorded 13 studio albums since 1984) diminishes the early career of one of our great songwriters of the twentieth centuries.
Sorry to be pedantic but, I mean, come on. Robin Williams & Elmer Fudd covered dude at the same time:
In the same time frame, Manfred Mann's Earth Band were practically a Bruce Springsteen cover band charting big hits ( "For You", "Blinded by the Light" [a Billboard Number 1] and "Spirit in the Night") all from Greetings from Asbury Park, New Jersey.
The Boss has sold over 150 million records worldwide and, admittedly Born in the USA was a popular record (it sold 15 million copies in the U.S., 30 million worldwide, and became one of the best-selling albums of all time with seven singles hitting the Top 10) but to say he would not have been well known artist had he not recorded past 1982 (a patently ridiculous notion since he has recorded 13 studio albums since 1984) diminishes the early career of one of our great songwriters of the twentieth centuries.
Sorry to be pedantic but, I mean, come on. Robin Williams & Elmer Fudd covered dude at the same time:
Last edited:
Either they sped it up drastically, or that's someone other than Bruce on lead vocal. Play it back to back with any other song of his and the difference is significant.
Yes, I remember this. Maybe he would have gotten popular because his early music was becoming popular also.
Personally I really loved Tunnel of Love.
In case you couldn't tell, I'm a big Bruce fanboy and agree Tunnel of Love is really good.
To me, it seemed his career hit a bit of lull after BITUSA. Perhaps familiarity does breed contempt but I blame Kurt Cobain. /s
It was never all that unusual for producers to use varispeed to slow down tracks so that the vocalist could hit their parts better. In this case it's likely the song was recorded in C#, they slowed it all down so that he could sing it better, and sped it up again. Been done many times.
I don't know about the sheet music but lots of times I pull down charts that are a half-step down and if I blink I miss the part at the front that says "capo at first fret" so it's entirely possible this was written using C forms with a capo. In fact, looking at charts on Ultimate Guitar, that's exactly what this one says. Notice "capo I" at the top.
Bruce Springsteen - Hungry Heart (Chords)
The big question is why they would play it in C#, if he wrote it using C forms and can't sing it in C#. Maybe he realized it was straining his voice after he wrote it.
I don't know about the sheet music but lots of times I pull down charts that are a half-step down and if I blink I miss the part at the front that says "capo at first fret" so it's entirely possible this was written using C forms with a capo. In fact, looking at charts on Ultimate Guitar, that's exactly what this one says. Notice "capo I" at the top.
Bruce Springsteen - Hungry Heart (Chords)
The big question is why they would play it in C#, if he wrote it using C forms and can't sing it in C#. Maybe he realized it was straining his voice after he wrote it.
