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"Hypermiling" Now this has just gotten ridiculous.

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by hbarcat, Mar 18, 2008.


  1. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001

    Jun 17, 2004
    Ireland
    So your saying it's returning as fast as we are using it?

    :eyebrow:

    If this isn't happening then we are running out.
     
  2. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    Regarding the tangent discussion about how much oil we have:

    1) There is a finite amount of it and it cannot be replenished
    2) World energy demand is constantly increasing
    3) 1 + 2 means that at some point in the near future (a few decades or so) oil will be too expensive to use and we must switch to renewable, non CO2 emitting fuels because of economic necessity, if not for environmental reasons.


    IMO, the idea of conserving gasoline is a good one. Wasting resources, of any kind, is irresponsible and polluting carelessly is also unwise. Investing in technology that brings us closer to the day when we can switch to renewable, low emissions fuels is beneficial to all, but that's not what "hypermiling" is about. Go to the websites and read some of the comments there. Many posts are rants about other vehicles, particularly SUV's, and how much contempt they have for the drivers of such vehicles. The simple desire to be frugal with a tank of gas is not the primary motivation for many of these people. If it were, they wouldn't be taking their driving techniques to such ridiculous extremes as to be so obnoxious and even dangerous to other motorists.
     
  3. Trevorus

    Trevorus

    Oct 18, 2002
    Urbana, IL
    Google sustainable oil... There is quite a bit of interesting research in the field.

    That said, I'm all for more efficient cars, alternative fuels that are MORE efficient than the current sources, and keeping our environment clean. I just don't follow blindly whatever egg head tells me that we're all going to die. I like to live with some modicum of hope, and I always support questioning the status quo.
     
  4. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    They are doing illegal and annoying things and should be executed. I'm only partially kidding. :scowl::rollno:
     
  5. fenderhutz

    fenderhutz Supporting Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    Harpers Ferry WV

    Once you are in that type of situation please comment.

    Buying a 20,000 and a 12,000 car is only like 80-90 dollars per month difference as far as loans are concerned.

    It is basically a wash with car payment and the money they saving on gas, but AT LEAST they are trying.

    Please, call every person trying to keep the air clean an "idiot" for helping out, there are a ton of third world countries currently going through what we through over 100 years ago as our industrial revolution and adding more fossil fuel using devices daily at an astronomical rate.

    So keep on driving your Cadillac Escalade and condemning those at least trying to make the air a little bit cleaner for our kids when they get older.

    You don't have to believe in global warming to agree that we are trashing our environment every day.
     
  6. Ericman197

    Ericman197

    Feb 23, 2004
    Iowa
    Generally speaking, someone who is poor would be irresponsible to buy even a $12,000 car when there are millions of people out there driving beaters worth less than $1,000 :atoz:
     
  7. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Supporting Member

    Do you know for a fact he drives an Escalade? He could be driving a Corolla, for all you know. No need to get personal.
     
  8. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Supporting Member

    Well they may be the same kind of people who buy a $250,000 home on a $25K income.:meh:
     
  9. Trevorus

    Trevorus

    Oct 18, 2002
    Urbana, IL
    I own and use two cars with small 4 cylinder engines, and I keep them tuned up, tires inflated properly... I think I'm doing quite a bit to help the environment! I recycle packing materials when I ship and buy stuff on TB, I do a ton of correspondence online on a laptop, rather than using a big desktop using 400+ watts of power, I have some CFL's in my home...

    And I still think hybrid buying people are fooling themselves if they think they are saving anything... Have you looked into the chemistry of the reserve batteries? Those are horrible, and recycling them takes a lot of processing... Also, the weight differences between a hybrid setup and a singular gas engine is quite different. The electric part is only marginally pulling more than it's own weight.
     
  10. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    So anyway, back to the thread.......



    Oh, wait. I think it's done.
     
  11. Rakie

    Rakie Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to...

    I see stuff like this often... Especially slow driving in Westminster and Fountain Valley (Back me up Maki)

    Im really getting worried about my reactions to this... I cant tell you how close i've come to actually ramming somebody intentionally... i drive in rush hour traffic to Hollywood every day, get the morning and evening traffic... My tolerance to BS driving has gone out the window.

    It makes me feel uneasy at the amount of anger that leeches out during driving.
     
  12. Rakie

    Rakie Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to...

    LOLOLOLOL. $250,000 home.

    I hate so cal :( a 250k home here would be in a ghetto.
     
  13. there's literally scads of organic materials buried away in landfill sites all over the world just waiting to be dug up again and converted into oil and other plastics...

    the company which comes up with a cheap method of converting the landfill material into oil will make an absolute mint...
     
  14. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    This is a 239k home here in Findlay, which is actually one of the higher priced cities around here.

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  15. Marlat

    Marlat

    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    This is a $250,000 house in London:

    [​IMG]

    Note the spacious entrance / sleeping / eating area.
     
  16. fenderhutz

    fenderhutz Supporting Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    Harpers Ferry WV
    Before Gas tripled in the last 8 years, that car payment would have been acceptable. Before their heating bill tripled in the 8 years, etc. Being retired and on a fixed income doesn't mean you still have to drive a 94 Ford Tempo.
     
  17. fenderhutz

    fenderhutz Supporting Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    Harpers Ferry WV

    Just making a point, I have no idea what he drives but on the same token calling everyone else an idiot in a post that is at least trying to make a difference is just as bad. :atoz:
     
  18. guy n. cognito

    guy n. cognito Secret Agent Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Actually, the difference between a $20,000 car and a $12,000 car (60 months, 6.5%, 100% financed) is $156.23, which is several weeks groceries for a poor person. Tell me the person that makes that decision isn't an idiot. Bear in mind, I don't consider all hybrid drivers idiots, just someone in the situation you claim (which, in my mind, is highly unlikely).

    I've been in that situation, and, at the time, I chose to act responsibly and drove a $2500 POS Honda Civic. Looked like crap, but ran great and got me where I needed to go. Plus, I was able to feed myself. So, AGAIN, I have no sympathy for someone that ignorant.

    I don't drive an Escalade, but I do drive a SUV. It is qualified as a ULEV and gets pretty good gas mileage.
     
  19. guy n. cognito

    guy n. cognito Secret Agent Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Please bear in mind, again, that I didn't call "everyone else" an idiot, just someone who would choose to purchase a relatively expensive hybrid car as opposed to feeding themselves. There are clearly better options for poor people (like $2500 POS Honda Civics) that are still relatively environmentally friendly.

    Actually, when you think about the long term implications of disposing of a battery-laden hybrid, a regular 4-banger is probably the MORE environmentally-friendly choice.
     
  20. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    I don't criticize anyone's choice in vehicles. If they want to drive a windup car, or an expedition.......I don't care, they are the ones paying the bill.

    However, regardless what you drive, you must be able to operate that vehicle safely. I drive a ulev as well, and get mid to high 30's mpg. I also have to drive up to 12 hours a day at times for work. Someone going 40mph to save 2 ounces of fuel on their commute is just a freaking idiot, causing dangerous situations, and screwing up other peoples schedules. Just an extremely selfish action.
     

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