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I can't figure out this fretboard

#22
Geddy_Lee said:
Oh God! That numerology clip sounds out of tune! I don't think i'm a big fan of this yet...
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It's only out of tune in north america. As someone already stated, we are among the few that have decided to limit our musical choices by eliminating 1/4 tones. Learning to use 1/4 tones opens up an entire new world of scalar and chordal relationships. One of the biggest reasons why I still enjoy playing bebop on trombone.
 
#24
i've been listening to 'revenge...', 'i stand hopeless...', 'breakdown...', and 'life...'.
dayum!!! :eek:
fun stuff. reminds me of olden days when i would listen to anything, and think i could understand it, even if it was just a little bit.
:p
i can't say i can do the math, but i like it. if this guy could find the right musicians who could get this stuff, i would be impressed...i couldn't play it, but i would buy it, and i will recommend it to other musicians i know.
 
#25
maybe if i read up on it more i would understand it, but i still dont get why some frets are "spaced" more than others. it'll go from a quarter inch fret to an inch fret and then to a third of an inch fret. shouldn't they still be spaced the same? like, instead of having 20 fret neck, just make it 60? that way you have almost sharps and almost flats? for example, the note C, you could have Cb (B), C almost flat, C, C almost sharp, and C sharp. with that neck, it seems like the strings have different number of frets than each other. like it seems like some notes would have (excuse my stupid lingo but i dont really know how else to explain it) more almost sharps and almost flats than others.
 
#26
Bassist4Life said:
http://www.justintonation.net/whatisji.html
This is a link to a definition of Just Intonation.

http://www.justintonation.net/whatsound.html
This is a link to a couple sound files coupled with .pdf files. The .pdf files are sick. I never want to look at them again! :eek:

Joe
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Hey, that's cool. Almost all the Just intervals sound better to my ears than the 12tet ones. However, the chords are a different story. The major and minor chords just have a purity in Just that are great. The augmented chords sound horrible though. Most of the chords after that, the Just versions sound more like a single note that just has a very weird timbre, and they tend to have a quick "beat" frequency that, though it is "in tune", is annoying. The 12tet versions sound more like an assemblage of various notes, and a little out of tune - some wavering but none of that "blaaaaaaat" that comes from the Just chords.

It's also funny because some of the Just chords sound like truck/train/ship horns (which makes sense, as those air horns are probably designed using simple ratios like this, IOW they are just-intoned).
 
#28
bassist66 said:
maybe if i read up on it more i would understand it, but i still dont get why some frets are "spaced" more than others. it'll go from a quarter inch fret to an inch fret and then to a third of an inch fret. shouldn't they still be spaced the same? like, instead of having 20 fret neck, just make it 60? that way you have almost sharps and almost flats? for example, the note C, you could have Cb (B), C almost flat, C, C almost sharp, and C sharp. with that neck, it seems like the strings have different number of frets than each other. like it seems like some notes would have (excuse my stupid lingo but i dont really know how else to explain it) more almost sharps and almost flats than others.
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What you're describing (60 frets in the space of 20) would be a move from 12-tone equal temperament (12 equal steps to the octave) to 36-tone equal temperament (36 equal steps to the octave).

Just intonation, however, doesn't use equal-sized steps.

A justly-intoned guitar for use in only one key would look more or less like a normal guitar, except that the frets would "wiggle" -- they'd need to be offset a little bit in one direction or another for each string. Say that the guitar is setup to be played that way in E. If you also wanted to play using Just intonation in F#, you'd take each of those frets and shift them up two positions. Then you'd find out the wiggles are different! This Warwick looks like somebody did that, and put both sets (or more?) of "wiggles" in there.
 
#31
Brendan said:
It's a microtonal neck, for sure. There are some variations; 22 tet, 31 tet, etc.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/cityoftheasleep/

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Here's a dude who does some pretty cool stuff with it. Check out "Numerology" and "Revenge of the Inorganic Compounds"

And google microtonal.
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thats the most weirdest thing i've heard!
 
#38
geshel said:
A justly-intoned guitar for use in only one key would look more or less like a normal guitar, except that the frets would "wiggle" -- they'd need to be offset a little bit in one direction or another for each string.
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Like this. This is the FretWave system. You can see it at Invalid Link Removed

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