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I can't take it

#62
page said:
What does Runrig sound like anyway, ive never heard of em?
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They're sort of a Big Country-ish semi-rock band with some celtic instruments and a singer that sounds like a Scottish folk singer, although he belts it out a little more. A lot of "love for your country and history" kind of songs. I guess they're okay if you're into that sort of thing.

BTW, you can listen to sound samples from many of their albums on Amazon.com (or whatever the UK Amazon address is).
 
#63
Nickthebassist said:
www.theweb****e.com i do believe. It's a very bad thing, they sound nothing alike. Plus he speeded them up, changed the key, chopped bits out. Basically, he could have done it to ANY song.
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Firstly, your link's broken :p.
It's not THAT bad of a thing either. He *may* have sped (speeded) them up (but I can't tell really, so if he did, it was very very little), but I don't think he did. I know he didn't chop any piece out of either track. They're both played in full. Heck, I can actually make the same thing, and maybe should, just get the MP3s of the actual tracks and use Sound Forge, put one in one ear and the other in the other ear.
And LASTLY, When I told a friend of mine, who was an Avid NB fan about this, we listened to a live bootleg, and we basically skipped to those tracks, and minus little alterations (intro and the bass line was a bit different, and of course, lyrics), they were the same song. But, that's just my $0.02. If you can make three chords songs and "make it" and be "better" than the Beatles, good for ya I say. But, these guys only did 1/2 of that ;).

Ray
 
#66
Bad_Habit_Bassist said:
Firstly, your link's broken :p.
It's not THAT bad of a thing either. He *may* have sped (speeded) them up (but I can't tell really, so if he did, it was very very little), but I don't think he did. I know he didn't chop any piece out of either track. They're both played in full. Heck, I can actually make the same thing, and maybe should, just get the MP3s of the actual tracks and use Sound Forge, put one in one ear and the other in the other ear.
And LASTLY, When I told a friend of mine, who was an Avid NB fan about this, we listened to a live bootleg, and we basically skipped to those tracks, and minus little alterations (intro and the bass line was a bit different, and of course, lyrics), they were the same song. But, that's just my $0.02. If you can make three chords songs and "make it" and be "better" than the Beatles, good for ya I say. But, these guys only did 1/2 of that ;).

Ray
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O yes he did, cuz I asked him!
 
#67
Bryan R. Tyler said:
They're sort of a Big Country-ish semi-rock band with some celtic instruments and a singer that sounds like a Scottish folk singer, although he belts it out a little more. A lot of "love for your country and history" kind of songs. I guess they're okay if you're into that sort of thing.

BTW, you can listen to sound samples from many of their albums on Amazon.com (or whatever the UK Amazon address is).
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Well, over the last 30 eyars they've changed al ot, evolved. Originally they were a folk rock band, but then they turned more rock, with traditional influences. Their first signer left in 1996/97, and they got Bruce Guthro in. Then Peter Wishart left(he was their keyboardist, and formerly was in Big Country). I've seen them plenty of times live, and they are some of the best musicians on the planet. Malcolm Jones is especially awesome. As for what genre they are, it's impossible to tell, but they have folk, rock, and modern influences. Take a listen to the album Proterra.
O btw, they were infleunced by the Beatles. This is a prime example of someone taking what the Beatles did and improving it.
 
#68
burk48237 said:
You know I didn't think you could really call music bad, until I read Pat Metheny's piece on Kenny G.
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I agree. That article was really interesting, Pat Metheny talking about Kenny G treading on the sacred ground of Louis Armstrong, and how accepting that as music would be to accept that all the prior efforts at making meaningful music were futile:
Pat Metheny: There ARE some things that are sacred - and amongst any musician that has ever attempted to address jazz at even the most basic of levels, Louis Armstrong and his music is hallowed ground. To ignore this trespass is to agree that NOTHING any musician has attempted to do with their life in music has any intrinsic value - and I refuse to do that.
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On the other hand, people have been complaining about the commercialization of music from at least the 30s with Jazz/Pop. I'm sure there were similar complaints when the Beatles came out (I wasn't around but I'm sure Rock was criticized by more "serious" musicians at first). Heck, even Plato makes a complaint about base, mass music (though in his case the issue wasn't commercialization but still a distinguishing of "high" music to "low" music). So, what's new with Nickelback? In the future, when the generation enjoying Nickelback now grows old they may be comparing new music to Nickelback and saying how lame music has become...

On a different note, someone mentioned Nirvana along with the new breed of inferior music. Is this a general consensus? I actually like Nirvana (though I don't care for Nickelback)!
 
#70
Nickthebassist said:
O btw, they were infleunced by the Beatles. This is a prime example of someone taking what the Beatles did and improving it.
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:eyebrow:

While I generally agree with the whole "there is no best band, all taste is subjective" argument...

I think if you asked the members Runrig if they were a better band than the Beatles, their answer would be no. And yes, as I grew up in Scotland I am very familiar with Runrigs work.
 
#71
davidmwilson said:
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While I generally agree with the whole "there is no best band, all taste is subjective" argument...

I think if you asked the members Runrig if they were a better band than the Beatles, their answer would be no.
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More than likely as they are very humble people. But trust me, Malcolm Jones is a MUCH better guitarist than either Lennon or Harrison. He's not bad on Bass, Bozouki(sp?), bag pipes(his main instrument), fiddle, drums, mandolin, banjo, keyboard, accordion or whistle either, to be honest. :smug:
 
#72
davidmwilson said:
:eyebrow:

While I generally agree with the whole "there is no best band, all taste is subjective" argument...

I think if you asked the members Runrig if they were a better band than the Beatles, their answer would be no. And yes, as I grew up in Scotland I am very familiar with Runrigs work.
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And they are better, IMO. I've heard the Beatles, I've heard Runrig, and there is no way the Beatles are as good, not in a million years.
 
#73
Nickthebassist said:
More than likely as they are very humble people. But trust me, Malcolm Jones is a MUCH better guitarist than either Lennon or Harrison.
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Why would we trust you on the matter? And in the opinion of just about everyone else, Runrig (or Nickleback) are not nearly as creative, innovate, influential, or just plain good as the Beatles were. The guys in Runrig may very well be humble, but I can't see their honestly thinking they are a "better" group than the Beatles.

The reason people are trying to get you to change your opinion, or even just open your mind (which at this point the jaws of life probably couldn't do) as you asked with "I have my opinion, you'll never change it, so why are you trying" is because your opinions are generally very ill thought out or through, and because maybe some people hope there's a chance you can open your mind and get past your extremely narrow and immature view of music and musicianship, and thereby become a better listener and musician yourself. But you don't want to, so I guess that's that.
 
#74
Bryan R. Tyler said:
your opinions are generally very ill thought out or through, and because maybe some people hope there's a chance you can open your mind and get past your extremely narrow and immature view of music and musicianship
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Bryan, I would like to know what makes one band better than another (how you determine what is "just plain good"), and how disregarding Nickelback is less narrow-minded than disliking the Beatles. Thanks!
 
#75
mikeru said:
Bryan, I would like to know what makes one band better than another (how you determine what is "just plain good"), and how disregarding Nickelback is less narrow-minded than disliking the Beatles. Thanks!
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You wanna know why? Because he's a sheep. He goes along with a common opinion. He won't stand up and say 'yeh, I like this better than that, and I think they're better than that', whereas I will, because I stand up for what I believe in, but then the rest of society can't take it and try to change me to what they want me to be.
 
#76
1st off, we have to see if Nickleback has the staying power of a band like the Beatles. Both in terms of quantity of music produced and originality. The Beatles' musicianship was beat-up on well before we all got here. They simply possesed a combination of decent guitar playing, innovative and creative songwriting mixed with evolving technology, and the Beatles' killer harmonies that made them work. They also played clubs for many years & spent hours upon hours honing their craft. They were fairly solid before "production crews" got anywhere near them.

The Beatles cast the mold. Nickleback has yet to break out of one.
 
#80
Nickthebassist said:
You wanna know why? Because he's a sheep. He goes along with a common opinion. He won't stand up and say 'yeh, I like this better than that, and I think they're better than that', whereas I will, because I stand up for what I believe in, but then the rest of society can't take it and try to change me to what they want me to be.
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Damn, he figured it out. Yep, you're right Nick, it's all a big conspiracy. :rolleyes:

"society can't take it"? Trust me, society doesn't care whether or not you listen to Nickleback.

You know, I was gonna say more, but it's just not worth the effort talking to someone as thick-headed, and as narrow-minded as you.

Graeme
 

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