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I think I stop believing in expensive basses!

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Dang well better include the angora cushioned goat scrotum leather gig-bag .

Actually, that comes standard with the SX basses. Also, for a mere 120 US Dollars you also get:

1. Kurt hand delivering your new SX in a limo to your front door.
2. Gold plated box, because after all, they are great right "out of the box"
3. Generous return policy. If it doesn't play and feel exactly like an Alembic, Kurt will take it back and send you 3 in it's place (all identically colored blue)
4. The bass comes signed by several artists who secretly use this bass, but only have it cosmetically identical to the bow-teek instruments we only think they use. Signees include Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller and Richard Bona.


So really, even though I intended to fully rage quit this thread, just when I thought I was out they pulled me back in...and now I have to admit, bow-teek and hi-end basses suck. There is absolutely no reason to use them!
 
I also have to come clean and state publically that Mongo has been right all along. I am absolutely a poor craftsman, who cannot play the bass at all.
I am also a hate filled, sad person (just like some of you said I was) whose life has been destroyed by those two alembics my friend got in high school. Destroyed to the point that I drink my self to death, live in the basement of my mom's house and have never had a relationship. I spend my evenings pacing around the floor consumed with hate and envy, wishing I could be a carefree, happy, well adjusted super-person like all of you! Oh, and I am only a white belt in karate.
 
I also have to come clean and state publically that Mongo has been right all along. I am absolutely a poor craftsman, who cannot play the bass at all.
I am also a hate filled, sad person (just like some of you said I was) whose life has been destroyed by those two alembics my friend got in high school. Destroyed to the point that I drink my self to death, live in the basement of my mom's house and have never had a relationship. I spend my evenings pacing around the floor consumed with hate and envy, wishing I could be a carefree, happy, well adjusted super-person like all of you! Oh, and I am only a white belt in karate.

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Man, give it a rest.
 
It is our business; you put this stuff on a public forum. You got public criticism. Now you're ranting, in public. So I'm asking you to give it a rest.

In public.

What more do you want, Legobass?

I already admitted everyone was right and I am wrong....that indeed I am a hate-filled, sad person who only likes what is written on the headstock...oh, and I already admitted to being a poor craftsman that cannot play bass.
Besides, 41 pages....that makes this an epic thread! It is refreshing to see that the vast majority of talkbassers don't care for expensive basses. It was a revelation to me! And caused me to rethink everything I thought i knew about bass!

Besides, thanks to you fine experts, I am no longer gassing! I will save money! It's all about Squires (because all the pros use them) and not about Foderas (because people think they suck and are selling them off like crazy!)

So see, this thread (and our discussion) have really served a purpose!
 
It is refreshing to see that the vast majority of talkbassers don't care for expensive basses.

I don't think this is the case. Look at all the club threads for Fodera, F Bass, Sadowsky, Nordy, Alleva Coppollo, etc. I've been posting in these threads for a long time and I've found that most people who play high end basses don't really get involved in these threads. The only reason I even post sometimes is the hope that at least one person might give them a try with an open mind. I think some have changed their minds...or at least tried a 'boutique' bass.

Most of these threads start with "I have never played a boutique bass, but....." That isn't always the case, but it happens a lot.

I really don't have time to argue about bass choice on the internet, because, frankly, I don't have to justify my bass choice to anyone.

I've heard all the arguments pro and con. I just don't let anyone else affect what I play. I know what I like, and that is enough reason to play what I play.
 
lol Sure expensive bass exist... but I prefer to play the well built, that sound and look good and do the trick for me... if they are expensive then, sadly I'll pay the cash to get what I want...

If your ok with a 300$ squier than good for you, but I've tried and I don't like them !! ;)
 
The thing about nearly every discussion about a "good" bass is the high level of subjectivity. It is really hard to clearly and completely define what makes a bass good, because what that means can change greatly based on the experience and preferences of the player.

What can matter is if the bass is actually hard to play (bad fret buzz, frets slice your hands, uneven volume across the strings, etc) That being said, which instrument is more likely to have these problems? A Squire jazz bass or a Sadowsky NYC? Either can be made to play fine, but clearly more effort goes into one more than the other.

Now for me personally, I believe that boutique basses may have some phenomenal qualities, but I will never actually know because short of winning the lottery I will never own a Fodera, Wal or Roscoe bass. They definitely exist and may be awesome, but they exist in an alternate universe I can't afford.
 
I don't think this is the case. Look at all the club threads for Fodera, F Bass, Sadowsky, Nordy, Alleva Coppollo, etc. I've been posting in these threads for a long time and I've found that most people who play high end basses don't really get involved in these threads. The only reason I even post sometimes is the hope that at least one person might give them a try with an open mind. I think some have changed their minds...or at least tried a 'boutique' bass.

Most of these threads start with "I have never played a boutique bass, but....." That isn't always the case, but it happens a lot.

I really don't have time to argue about bass choice on the internet, because, frankly, I don't have to justify my bass choice to anyone.

I've heard all the arguments pro and con. I just don't let anyone else affect what I play. I know what I like, and that is enough reason to play what I play.

Probably because they are confident and happy in their choice. Also, they have discovered what many know to be true: A fine instrument makes for an exceptional playing experience. I think it is only here on TB that you get the "I played a Fodera and it sucked" type comments. In the real world, those who can afford one are generally happy, no, ecstatic with their purchase.

In regards to your second comment i bolded, I feel it is my duty as an experienced bassist to pass on my knowledge to people. I know there are some real experts on this forum, but I suspect that the vast majority of posters here are not. if I had a student, asking my opinion on what type of bass to get...I know exactly what answer to give based on their playing needs. You are great with tools and like to tinker and experiment? Ok, get an SX. You are a total beginner not sure if you intend to stick with it? Ok, get an SX or Squire. You intend to play blues in a rough biker bar? Ok, get an SX. You want to play smooth jazz or urban gospel? Aim for a Carvin, Cirrus, Spector and one day upgrade to something even better...Fodera, Smith, Sei, Zon, Lakland, Sadowsky, etc....

My personal experience is that hi-end basses absolutely deliver. And in all performance areas, not just cosmetic. They are built my experts who really care about what they do and for the most part, are not in it for the money but for the love of the craft...and that generally translates to a very well made product that does exactly what you think it will do: Shine.

I have said it before, with these hi-end basses there is generally no setting that sounds bad. You don't have to work to get a great tone. They are the type of instruments that rarely need any set-up or upgrades. They are "life time" instruments. Most of them sound so good, with such an eveness of string-to-string tone that you end up practicing and trying techniques you never would with lesser instruments. In short, these are instruments that inspire you.

The bargain brands don't have these same qualities to me. They are strictly workhorses. That may be good for some, but not for me. (and obviously not for a majority of pros either)

But of course, everything I have just said will be eradicated by one teenaged poster with 2 years experience who says "fedoras suck"....or, by those posters who don't care about "exceptional" tone and craftmanship. Good for them, but do they really need to come onto forums like this and tell everyone how bad or how useless boutique basses are? And then when someone like me strongly disagrees, I am subjected to amateur psycho-analysis and rude comments as a result? fair is fair, guys.
 
I think I am just too greedy..... I have had and like more expensive basses but I can have three great Fender's, Music Man ect basses for the cost of one Smith, Fodera ect. There is nothing wrong with the spensive basses...they are fantastic...but not fantastic enough to be worth having 2-4 moderate priced classic tried and true platforms. And when you add in buying used to the equation....it gets that much better for my perspective. Right now I have two Stingrays, two Rics and a US 75 RI Jazz..... all purchased used for about $6000 total. That would have gotten me maybe....maybe two Smiths ect. While the two Smiths ect would have been really nice....I like having 5 really cool basses that can do for me anything the Smiths could have done. If I had a little more variety to my stable than the effect would be multiplied. Just my .02.
 
Disclaimer: I did not read all 42 pages of this. Too busy doing anything else haha.

My two cents; I would love to own an expensive boutique bass someday, but right now I'm really satisfied with what my current (modulus, hotrodded fender mim, warwick) basses do for me. My basses have their faults, but to my ears in the demos I can find, there isn't anything about the boutique bass that makes me have GAS.
That being said, I do notice the awesome fretwork on my modulus, and if I had the opportunity to buy a really pricey bass that had even better feeling necks than I had now then I would want one. Maybe not $15,000 worth of want (fodera) but I def would have my admiration turn into GAS for, oh maybe a Pedulla or F-bass.
But here is the thing, I thin that there is something to be said about how the boutique bass is idealized and as a result, sometimes overpriced by the makers. Maybe I'm an idiot, but a $5000 pedulla to my ears sounds "better" (let the "better" debate begin) than the $15,000 Fodera...preference plays a role, for sure.
All that said I'm about to buy "boutique" (custom hand made) cabinets. Haha
 
Disclaimer: I did not read all 42 pages of this. Too busy doing anything else haha.

My two cents; I would love to own an expensive boutique bass someday, but right now I'm really satisfied with what my current (modulus, hotrodded fender mim, warwick) basses do for me. My basses have their faults, but to my ears in the demos I can find, there isn't anything about the boutique bass that makes me have GAS.
That being said, I do notice the awesome fretwork on my modulus, and if I had the opportunity to buy a really pricey bass that had even better feeling necks than I had now then I would want one. Maybe not $15,000 worth of want (fodera) but I def would have my admiration turn into GAS for, oh maybe a Pedulla or F-bass.
But here is the thing, I thin that there is something to be said about how the boutique bass is idealized and as a result, sometimes overpriced by the makers. Maybe I'm an idiot, but a $5000 pedulla to my ears sounds "better" (let the "better" debate begin) than the $15,000 Fodera...preference plays a role, for sure.
All that said I'm about to buy "boutique" (custom hand made) cabinets. Haha

All those basses (except the MIM) are already excellent basses. There is truth to the concept of diminishing returns. Once you are at the 2000 dollar level, any bass more expensive will probably sound the same...the main differences now being mostly cosmetic (Mammoth ivory nut, gold and silver hardware, extremely rare woods, etc)...
 
Honestly I used to really hate on fancy looking basses. Which to my way of thinking back then was pretty much any bass with woodgrain showing through the top. I thought it was kind of a showy way of saying look at me! I have an expensive instrument! Of course I was a lot younger and I didn't understand all the mechanics of playing music. I didn't really get that some instruments were better than others. It was the 80's after all. We only BBS's back then. So real information on quality basses was hard to come by!
Funny thing is when I look back on all the basses I have owned. Most have had trans tops, and I have figured out that sometimes you do get what you pay for. I also figured out that I should have bought an Ibanez when they were cheap, and that corny P-bass at the pawnshop with the anodized pickguard that I saw in 1985? Shoulda bought it.
 
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