I tried a SVT

[Mantis Tobaggan]

I think you are the first person I have come across who says the Classic 810 is better than the Heritage .

i have both and disagree. i love both but the heritage is better.

 

[frankie5string]

I don't know. It could be that the Heritage cab had been abused more. It certainly looks like it had a lot more mileage on it.

I think you are the first person I have come across who says the Classic 810 is better than the Heritage .

 

[bassboysam]

At one of the rehearsal spaces I use, they have two rooms with SVT 8x10s. One is a Heritage SVT cab with a GK 1001RB. The other is a "Classic" 810e. The heritage has the GK, and the Classic has the Mesa M9.

The GK, with its controls set flat, sounds kind-of thin. It takes a bit of playing around with the voicing and the EQ to get a good sound. The M9 with the "Classic" cabinet sounds incredible! It's got that pillowy midrange with a tight punch in the lower bass fundamental - it even has a nice bite on the top end. For me, it was really a game-changer because I used GK for years through RBH410 cabs and couldn't figure out why it took so much tweaking to make the Heritage cab sound good. I never heard an SVT cabinet sound so good, even at low volume.

Then, when I swapped cabinets, the M9 didn't sound as full and big on the Heritage cab as it did on the Classic.

..and then there's the huge difference between my Lakland and my Yamaha TRB through those rigs.

the difference between tge heritage and any other ampeg 810 is not that great.....unless the other cab is the dark era SLM cab. i think you are one of the few that likes that cab better.

 

[Al Kraft]

I own an M9 and that head is very big in the low end and sharp as glass up top. It could simply be that the Carbine characteristics are better tamed/presented by one cab than the other. The Carbines are much more like the GK MB line to me than the RB which is an inherently more neutral head. I can't imagine trying to compare and draw conclusions about two different cabs using a Carbine on one and an RB on the other.

 

[frankie5string]

I should qualify that I already liked the post-direct out sound of the M9 going into either a power amp or a recording device. I just love the way the preamp on it sounds.

I own an M9 and that head is very big in the low end and sharp as glass up top. It could simply be that the Carbine characteristics are better tamed/presented by one cab than the other. The Carbines are much more like the GK MB line to me than the RB which is an inherently more neutral head. I can't imagine trying to compare and draw conclusions about two different cabs using a Carbine on one and an RB on the other.

 

[Al Kraft]

I should qualify that I already liked the post-direct out sound of the M9 going into either a power amp or a recording device. I just love the way the preamp on it sounds.

While it's not a comment I would typically expect to make in a SVT or Ampeg thread, I own all three Carbine models and find the pre-amp works fine for me in getting my sound.

 

[JimmyM]

At one of the rehearsal spaces I use, they have two rooms with SVT 8x10s. One is a Heritage SVT cab with a GK 1001RB. The other is a "Classic" 810e. The heritage has the GK, and the Classic has the Mesa M9.

The GK, with its controls set flat, sounds kind-of thin. It takes a bit of playing around with the voicing and the EQ to get a good sound. The M9 with the "Classic" cabinet sounds incredible! It's got that pillowy midrange with a tight punch in the lower bass fundamental - it even has a nice bite on the top end. For me, it was really a game-changer because I used GK for years through RBH410 cabs and couldn't figure out why it took so much tweaking to make the Heritage cab sound good. I never heard an SVT cabinet sound so good, even at low volume.

Then, when I swapped cabinets, the M9 didn't sound as full and big on the Heritage cab as it did on the Classic.

..and then there's the huge difference between my Lakland and my Yamaha TRB through those rigs.

Obviously you'd have to change settings a little to get the Heritage to sound similar to the Classic. I find the Classic is a tad heavier in the mids than the Heritage. And it's quite OK to prefer the Classic, even though I don't I like the Heritage better because it sounds closest to my 73 flatback with CTS's, and that's the standard by which they're all judged. It's about as close as you can possibly get to my ears. But I'll be happy to play through any of them.

 

[FunkHead]

I came to the conclusion SVT cabs can't handle a lot of low end.

This right here appeals to me. Being able to crank the bass and have that "cut through" could be fun.

 

[frankie5string]

That's it! The mids. ...and it does it without sounding muddy. I was thinking that maybe the Heritage cab needs to be pushed a little harder to make it speak. Since I don't play loud, maybe that more mid-forward Classic is giving that push a bit lower on the volume dial.

Maybe because I had more playing time on SWR and GK RBH rigs than SVTs.

The M9 through it definitely doesn't produce "glassy" highs. The highs are really smooth.

Regarding the really low end from an SVT, really, really heavy low end can get in the way of being able to hear the notes you play, which can throw you off on stage. I prefer a tighter low end with enough air to flap your pants a bit (which happens at a surprisingly high Hz, around 80-90 or so...)

I also don't own an SVT, I own a pair of Hartke HD112 cabs, and I moved from Markbass (after 10+ years) to Hartke to tighten up my sound. I push them with a TC RH750.

But yeah, if I showed up to a gig, and a Heritage cab was up on stage, I'd play through it and probably still enjoy myself...

Obviously you'd have to change settings a little to get the Heritage to sound similar to the Classic. I find the Classic is a tad heavier in the mids than the Heritage. And it's quite OK to prefer the Classic, even though I don't I like the Heritage better because it sounds closest to my 73 flatback with CTS's, and that's the standard by which they're all judged. It's about as close as you can possibly get to my ears. But I'll be happy to play through any of them.

 

[joel406]

Obviously you'd have to change settings a little to get the Heritage to sound similar to the Classic. I find the Classic is a tad heavier in the mids than the Heritage. And it's quite OK to prefer the Classic, even though I don't I like the Heritage better because it sounds closest to my 73 flatback with CTS's, and that's the standard by which they're all judged. It's about as close as you can possibly get to my ears. But I'll be happy to play through any of them.

To be honest. The louder I played it the better it sounded. Still it never got to the point of out doing my GK cabs. I am however going to give it another shot this weekend.

I've been thinking hard of what to do to make it sound better.