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I want more BOOM! that thump!

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acmmisfit

Apr 22, 2010
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L.A., CA
#1
so here's my rig, i got a Ampeg B2R head, Ampeg 410HLF, Squier PB&J bass and i usually use a sansamp bass driver, so when im playing live i don't feel that bass and get told to turn up the bass,i only feel it when im very close to the cab, ive heard many times that the 410HLF can reach extremely low frequencies and have tried many different ampeg heads on it but i simply do not feel that thump and boom! is the cab or the head?? i just want my vocal chords vibrating when i play that low E, what cabs give the boom?
 
#4
JimmyM said:
if you can't get the boom out of a 410hlf, you can't get it out of any cab.
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Im saying this out of experience, I tried 2 410's stacked on top of eachother a few days ago. To me, it sounded thin.

I swapped the bottom 410 for a 115, that well-known thump was there again.

Same brand, same series cabs, same head, same EQ settings, same bass, same position in room.

Thats just my experience and my 2 cents.
 
#5
You might want to try out that head through a few different cabinets at a music shop. And it's not just speaker size that will affect the overall frequency balance. For example, you might try out a few 15's and find that some of them may sound thinner than your 4x10, while some of them might sound massive in comparison. It's all relative really. I'm very happy with my front-ported Markbass 151HF (but it's a discontinued model). I wouldn't be happy with your 410HLF, but that's just a matter of personal preference, and not because of its quality.
 
#6
Electricblue said:
Im saying this out of experience, I tried 2 410's stacked on top of eachother a few days ago. To me, it sounded thin.

I swapped the bottom 410 for a 115, that well-known thump was there again.

Same brand, same series cabs, same head, same EQ settings, same bass, same position in room.

Thats just my experience and my 2 cents.
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i'm sure that could happen in some circumstances, but all 410's are not created equal. don't know if you ever played a 410hlf, but it's completely different from any other 410's in that it goes super low, way lower than any 115 i've ever heard.
 
#14
I have to agree with Muzikman and kringle77(somewhat), multiple 10" speakers are great for hearing your bass on stage over guitars and drums. Lots of makers like to advertise how their cabs can recreate low frequencies. While this is true, that does not mean it will do it at great volumes. 15's and 18's will generate the frequencies at the volume you are seeking. Edens are some of the deepest 10's out there- thats what I play- but without changing your gear, I recommend buying the Boss GEB-7 pedal or a crossover and cut all frequencies above 100Hz, then you'll realize that those freqs are being played by your speakers , they are just getting drowned out by the mid lows from 100-400Hz.
 
#16
Good cabs for some low end loud thumpin' as well as mid-range if needed

fEarful 1515/66 or two separate 15/6 cabs
Two BFM Jack 15 cabs
Low Down Sound 1515/66 or two separate 15/6 cabs
Two Avatar TB153 cabs


I've have played the Ampeg 410HLF and it's okay, better than some other 410s, but there are preferable options out there. The discontinued Ampeg PR-410HLF was noticeably better than the standard 410HLF, but also very heavy.
 
#18
my 410hlf can get ridiculously boomy if i wanted it too. I play an 08 american stander jazz with flats. I usually cut the bass or have it at noon, depending on the room and volume needed and there is plenty of low end for me. Just plug your bass right into your head and play with the eq until you get what you want. You should be able to get an excessive amount of low end from a 410hlf.
 
#19
PSPookie said:
Maybe you're looking at the wrong frequencies. Try boosting the 40-80Hz sliders a little less and add a little boost at 150Hz. This should make things a little "thicker" sounding and louder as well.
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^^this.. For most of us boom is an unintended consequence of poor cab design and/or swapping out drivers without doing the engineering homework. The vast majority of us find "boom" undesirable and cabs are generally engineered to avoid it. However if this is what you're looking for, it is possible to accomplish w/the improper gear...lol..

BTW, I know of a venue in Howard City, MI you would love.. Room has a natural resonance right in the boomtown...
 

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