I want more bottom end!

[Tom Howland]

I really like my GK Neo 115... with the Streamliner 900 have tons of low end.

I have a Streamliner 600 with a Schroeder 2x15.
Tons of low end, with a defined, smooth top.
I love this rig.
Would be ever bigger with a STM.900.

 

[runmikeyrun]

wow. that brunette with the tattoo has an incredible bottom end!!

You either need a better cab or more output power. and i disagree with people about a 4x10 putting out better low end than a 1x15. I have used both an ampeg 8x10 and 2x15 and the 2x15 blows the 8x10 out of the water with low end response.

If you like the sound of the amp and it seems like you're not pushing it to the max, then try a different cab. Get something ported, those are more efficient for low frequencies. If you're pushing the amp as hard as it will go, you're probably just out of power. Get a more powerful amp.

 

[Bassdirty]

I know nobody likes to admit they made a bad purchase, but you would not be posting that you cannot get enough low end if "THE SOUND ISN'T BAD"

If it was really only about the weight - you would be posting about how you love the the tone of your cab, but are looking for a lighter alternative with the same sound - that is clearly not the case.

There is a reason some cabs are cheaper prices then others, and it's not because the manufacturer is looking to do anyone a 'favor"

+1

I got an SWR Goliath III 410...more low end than I know what to do with

I say get a "better" 410.

So far it sounds like my options are:

3) sell the 410 and get a different 410 (NEO/MBE?)

I wouldn't get the MBE...I would get the NEO...(check GK site) It is NOT the MBE or MB..x or whatever .
go for the NEO 410 (Yes it costs more than the MBE..Probably for a reason)


JMO?..

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[ledyard]

Sell your cab and get somethng used that says Mesa or Ampeg on it. I used 410 in either flavor even older models will be light years better than where you are now. I dont know what range your in when you say "budget" but even an older Ampeg 810 can be had for $500 if you look hard enough.

 

[mam1862]

The 700rb-ii is a great amp. You will be ok with it as it matches up fine with many cabs.

 

[ledyard]

Where to begin....I'll have the one second from the right please.....what a great a**!!! I'll have a helping of the one to the far left too. Maybe the second from the left for a side dish. The blonde on the right needs to turn around so we cant see her face though....sorry if its someone's girlfriend

What a great way to derail a thread

 

[littlepope]

Eat McDonalds everyday. Your bottom end will be HUGE!

My kind of bassist. I would rather have a woman who has rear end, bottom, junk-in-the-trunk, just plain "stuff", than some girl who do not have it. More to hold on to.

 

[voronfly]

I have 1001RBII in 212 Neo combo and 410RBH with it. Before adding 410 i didnt have much bottom end since i believe GK are famous for their mids. After adding 410 it is way better, but still can be more. I am using MXR M80 pedal which sorta enchance and scoop the sound without changing the tone of the head much. I can get very boomy sounds with it without clipping the head or cracking the cab. I recommend you to try either this pedal or Sansamp with your rig before doing anything else. It would be cheaper and you might get what you want.

 

[georgestrings]

It's definitely the cab - the 700rb-II and 1001rb-II are capable of putting out more low end than most other cabs on the market - they're low end monsters...

Sell the cab, and bite the bullet to buy a good quality cab - go used, if you need to... In over 30 years of playing in bands, I've bought exactly ONE new cab - and I've managed to do very well for myself with gear choices... Without a doubt, you're FAR better off buying a quality cab that's used - but in good working order - than you are buying a lesser cab that's new... From past experience, G-K amps work really well with cabs by Mesa, Ampeg, SWR, Eden, and Peavey - others too, but those are all solid choices on the used market...

Lastly, go ported for lots of low end and volume...


- georgestrings

 

[kdiggity]

Yep, as others have pointed out, not all cabs are alike. Quality cabs just sound better and hit harder IMO/IME.

I have two main gigging cabs right now, one non-ported 15 and one ported 12. Guess which ones kills the low-end? (hint: it ain't the 15). The dual port on the back of the 12, and the fact that it tilts back to 45 degrees, makes such a huge difference that it's almost scary.

Additionally, the 12 is smaller and lighter, so that makes it a no-brainer for nearly all of my (indoor) gigs.

If I really need the volume, I can add the 15 to the setup - but I do it for volume, not low-end punch/growl/whatever.

HTH?

-kdiggity

 

[groove pump]

2) add a 210 or 115 for portability/smaller room scenarios.

Larger question, will the GK 700RB-II handle the above?

A couple years back, I got a smaller car that forced me to swap my 4x10 cab for a pair of 2x10's. I thought it would be a sort of compromise until I played a few shows and realized that my rig had turned into a Grizzly Bear with a 'tude.

The two 8 ohm cabs together made for a 4 ohm load on my amp, so it didn't have to work as hard to make volume, but it also became a lot easier to move my gear around without help. Overall, the two boxes together have given me both better big-rig sound and a lot more portability. I even like that I can use just one cab if I want to.

My cabs are only SWR Workingman's 2x10's, but I switched into these from a Workingman's 4x10 and haven't missed it one bit. If you can go somewhere to try your head plugged into a 2x10/1x15 layout or pair of 2x10's that will let your head push a 4 ohm load, you just might "awaken the giant" without getting into a rig that's as big as a house.

 

[Bass_Pounder]

You either need a better cab or more output power. and i disagree with people about a 4x10 putting out better low end than a 1x15. I have used both an ampeg 8x10 and 2x15 and the 2x15 blows the 8x10 out of the water with low end response.

If you like the sound of the amp and it seems like you're not pushing it to the max, then try a different cab. Get something ported, those are more efficient for low frequencies. If you're pushing the amp as hard as it will go, you're probably just out of power. Get a more powerful amp.

While you may disagree with us folks who say a 4X10 puts out better lows then a 1X15 - you make out argument for us.

Ampeg 8X10's are SEALED cabs, so unless you were putting up a sealed 2X15 against it, of course it will win (and even then, there are many other factors involved to determine low end output). Heck, a good ported 1X10 will beat the Ampeg fridge on low end response.

 

[rockstarbassist]

Getting a lot more bottom end while still being "punchy" isn't gonna play nice-
is like saying I want it warm and fat while crisp and clear and quick but wide and deep...

 

[Rick Auricchio]

I am surprised that no body suggested adding a cab and using the bi-amping function built into the amp.

The bi-amp function in a GK just splits off the high end; it's designed for GK cabs that have a separate tweeter input. Useful for those who want lots of sizzle, which isn't the issue here. It would do nothing to improve the overall tone of the cab.

One test would be to try a different instrument, which would eliminate the bass from the equation. If a different instrument lacks bottom end, then we agree that it's the cabs.

Be advised that cabs roll of severely in the low end, some more than others. Add that to the ear's natural rolloff and you're fighting on two fronts.

Why not try putting the cab in a corner? You'll get +9dB of bottom end, though it won't be very predictable. Might sound good, might just muddy up everything.

 

[crustychef]

I used to run my 700 rbII (sold it) through a TC Electronics rs 210 and rs212. The rs212 alone adds plenty of bottom end with out losing the punch factor. Your pants legs will be blowing in the wind from the output. Sounded huge at outdoor gigs too. I get excellent results with my GK Mb fusion too. To me GK heads + TC cabs are the bees knees. I'd sell the Goldline and pick up a used TC rs212 for cheap and maybe add a 210 or a single 112 if you feel the need. For medium size clubs I only need the 212.

 

[aaronhutson]

If your really wanting some low end you could consider adding a sub-harmonic generator to your rig. It sounds crazy but I do it on some gigs and just love the sound it gives me.

 

[Jazzdogg]

It's for your speakers actually. Your amp can handle lows fine, your cabinets may not be.

MaxxBass selectively adds harmonics to make you ears hear lower notes than your cabinet can produce.
It lets you high pass the lows.
It actually cuts the bass, and allows your to redirect more power to push more overall volume but still sound lower than without MaxxBass.

Does MaxxBass have a thread of its own somewhere? Sounds interesting, but I don't want to hijack this thread.

 

[SactoBass]

Rivalbass:

Look into LDS (Low Down Sound) tall 15/6 "nEarful" cabs. Do a TB search for LDS. $600 per cab. Each cab weighs 52 pounds. Here is Don Oatman's (LDS) website:

Low Down Sound - Custom Speaker Cabinets for Bass Guitar

A pair of LDS "tall" 15/6 cabs will rearrange your liver along with the people in the first 20 rows of the audience. You will be done cab shopping for the rest of your life.

The key is the design of the cab and the use of the 3015LF driver that has way more displacement than the junk used by mass producers.

I have no affiliation with LDS. I am just a very satisfied bassist who uses Don's products. IMHO, his cabs put to shame any mass produced cab. Below is a pic of my rig. Two LDS 15/6's stacked on their sides, and a USA SVT-VR on top. This rig will knock down buildings with authority, and not even flinch...

 

[wave rider]

What tattoo?

=wr=

 

[will33]

sorry if its someone's girlfriend

No you're not. (that's a good thing).