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ibid: Ampeg SVT210AV vs. PF-112
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Another vote for the svt210av.
I've been chasing a 70's Ampeg V4B and V4 4x12 sound since I got back into playing at the beginning of this year. I've always liked sealed cabinet sound vs ported (punchy and tight vs boomy, to my ears). So, to that end, I acquired 2 svt210avs paired with a V4B reissue and a TC BH250 class D (for backup and ease of portability). Together, they make a really terrific modular rig. It's 95% of the vintage V4B/V4 4x12 I remember and loved and at about 1/2 the weight.
Your PF350 is probably close in tone to my BH250 (with added TubeDrive Tone Print), so I would say the svt210av would be an excellent choice, especially if you added another down the road.
I've used them in the following configs and have not found a scenario where they didn't sound great. I've never had an issue with not enough low end either, if I just tweak the bass EQ knob a bit.
BH250 + 1 svt210av (good for band practice)
BH250 + 2 svt210av, stacked vertically (great for band practice, especially if the drummer is particularly energetic that evening)
V4B + 1 svt210av (good for noodling and bit of grit)
V4B + 2 svt210av, side by side (ohhhh, punchy tubey goodness!!! drool)
I love this setup and, if it were not for the experiment that is coming my way soon (I'll reveal next week
), I would be totally happy with this rig for just about anything.
I've been chasing a 70's Ampeg V4B and V4 4x12 sound since I got back into playing at the beginning of this year. I've always liked sealed cabinet sound vs ported (punchy and tight vs boomy, to my ears). So, to that end, I acquired 2 svt210avs paired with a V4B reissue and a TC BH250 class D (for backup and ease of portability). Together, they make a really terrific modular rig. It's 95% of the vintage V4B/V4 4x12 I remember and loved and at about 1/2 the weight.
Your PF350 is probably close in tone to my BH250 (with added TubeDrive Tone Print), so I would say the svt210av would be an excellent choice, especially if you added another down the road.
I've used them in the following configs and have not found a scenario where they didn't sound great. I've never had an issue with not enough low end either, if I just tweak the bass EQ knob a bit.
BH250 + 1 svt210av (good for band practice)
BH250 + 2 svt210av, stacked vertically (great for band practice, especially if the drummer is particularly energetic that evening)
V4B + 1 svt210av (good for noodling and bit of grit)
V4B + 2 svt210av, side by side (ohhhh, punchy tubey goodness!!! drool)
I love this setup and, if it were not for the experiment that is coming my way soon (I'll reveal next week
), I would be totally happy with this rig for just about anything.
Another vote for the svt210av.
I've been chasing a 70's Ampeg V4B and V4 4x12 sound since I got back into playing at the beginning of this year. I've always liked sealed cabinet sound vs ported (punchy and tight vs boomy, to my ears). So, to that end, I acquired 2 svt210avs paired with a V4B reissue and a TC BH250 class D (for backup and ease of portability). Together, they make a really terrific modular rig. It's 95% of the vintage V4B/V4 4x12 I remember and loved and at about 1/2 the weight.
Your PF350 is probably close in tone to my BH250 (with added TubeDrive Tone Print), so I would say the svt210av would be an excellent choice, especially if you added another down the road.
I've used them in the following configs and have not found a scenario where they didn't sound great. I've never had an issue with not enough low end either, if I just tweak the bass EQ knob a bit.
BH250 + 1 svt210av (good for band practice)
BH250 + 2 svt210av, stacked vertically (great for band practice, especially if the drummer is particularly energetic that evening)
V4B + 1 svt210av (good for noodling and bit of grit)
V4B + 2 svt210av, side by side (ohhhh, punchy tubey goodness!!! drool)
I love this setup and, if it were not for the experiment that is coming my way soon (I'll reveal next week
Thank you @CTBassGuy . I'm very very curious about your reveal next week.
More TB'ers chiming in, I'm pretty sure I'm going to go for the SVT210AV. Then Christmastime maybe Mrs. Clause will put another one under the tree...
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go for the SVT210AV. Then Christmastime maybe Mrs. Clause will put another one under the tree...
One other suggestion; I also picked up a pair of Tuki covers for the cabinets. I’ve transported them in these covers in the trunk of my car, and I can’t imagine not using them ever. Ampeg SVT210AV Micro Bass 2x10 Speaker Cabinet Padded Cover
Best protection for these cabs out there, other than hard road cases.
They would make another good Christmas present.
Thanks!One other suggestion; I also picked up a pair of Tuki covers for the cabinets. I’ve transported them in these covers in the trunk of my car, and I can’t imagine not using them ever. Ampeg SVT210AV Micro Bass 2x10 Speaker Cabinet Padded Cover
Best protection for these cabs out there, other than hard road cases.
They would make another good Christmas present.
Currently sitting a couple feet away from my 210AV and PF-350. It works for me. Never tried the other option. The fact that the 210AV is so light is what sold me on it.
I recently acquired a PF210 in a trade and I paired it with a PF350. Personally I love that amp through the 210. I wish I had a table to put it on so it was up by my head but when I sit on my couch infront of it I do enjoy the tone. If you dig that ampeg sound
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210 any day over 112. Now 212s, that's heaven. Stack'em
So I see the Calvary rode in, as expected, and offered you interesting perspective. You're a class act, Mr. Sitka, as you showed appreciation to nearly every person who stopped to offer you their two cents.
Tone is so subjective that we all need to respect the thoughts of any serious response, and then like you're gonna do, take that info to begin the search for what you think sounds best.
Good hunting, Will. Let us know what you end up deciding.
I used my PF350 & 1 x 210AV for my last 3 gigs. I was subbing at the first one and that got me the second gig. The same guy has called me for another gig in August. The third gig was a backyard party with my main band and that got us another gig.Bless you kind sir!
Thanks again. I’m learning a lot from my fellow TB’rs. This is a good discussion !
Can't be of much help on this one bro. Will, but voted "YES" on ibid. Now the score is tied between "yes" and "carrots." Happy (cab) hunting brother Will.
I voted "Carrots" because there was no op. sit. choice available.
That being said, I think the real question should have been, 2 AV 210's or 2 112's!
Tx
That being said, I think the real question should have been, 2 AV 210's or 2 112's!
Tx
Playing technique has a lot to do with this in my experience. A mate uses a Micro CL rig with his 60's Burns bass with black nylon string playing with a pick in a ska band and gets a killer deep sound. I however play mostly finger style with a Micro VR rig and it just doesn't cut it. Pick style just cuts through with a sealed 210. If you play fingers and want deep and loud the SVT 210AV wouldn't be my choice.
I'm very very curious about your reveal next week.
Here you go @alaskaleftybass
NCD!! I stood on the shoulders of giants and found my sound (Ampeg V4 4x12)
If anyone is actually interested in what I ended up doing, I did buy an SVT210av. I've had the cab for less than a week. I had a chance to try it out for a few times in the evenings. At low volumes, the bass has to be boosted from my Ibanez active tone controls, and I have the bass on the PF-350 at about 3:00. Mid is 12:00 and treble is about 11:30. There is kind of a nice tubey sound from the cabs and yes, the tone is really mini SVT/810. It brings back memories of my glory days of the 70's/80's.
So, I'm most likely going to keep the cab and add a second 210 probably in October, when we start doing more holiday gigs. There aren't a lot of gigs during the summer, people are mostly out fishing, storing up for winter. And the tourists don't have a lot of time in town so they're not really interested in watching a live band for the five our six hours they're in town.
Thank you everyone for chiming in. It's nice to have an old classic face in the house after 25 years being Ampeg free!
So, I'm most likely going to keep the cab and add a second 210 probably in October, when we start doing more holiday gigs. There aren't a lot of gigs during the summer, people are mostly out fishing, storing up for winter. And the tourists don't have a lot of time in town so they're not really interested in watching a live band for the five our six hours they're in town.
Thank you everyone for chiming in. It's nice to have an old classic face in the house after 25 years being Ampeg free!
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Congrats on the NCD @alaskaleftybass ! Glad you are happy with the tone; there is just something about that Ampeg sound
