Funkytoe, your obviously "in the know" somewhat, and I agree with you on the modulus or zon (that would be cool) Ibanez Soundgear fits the bill but it got too mainstream as you say. Also all the spectors and warwicks that everyone is guessing have the wrong neck profiles for Cliff, so if it where from one of those manuf it would be completely custom and unlike anything they currently offer. I LOVE the idea that he would still/go back to playing Ric's though. Kirk IS an awesome dude, just met him last year for the first time and he blew away my expectations! I do still feel that Lars was on the way out (not by conspiracy with Cliff) just James, and Cliff was not so apposed to it to say NO Lars MUST stay.
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If Cliff Burton were alive today..
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That I agree with. Lars has always been the most irritating of the band members (except Mustaine when he was drunk). I do not think that Cliff would have stuck his neck out to protect him if James had really wanted to give Lars the boot. I just don't see it. As irritating as Lars is, he did all the PR stuff that James did not want to do back then. James was a reluctant front man. He only started doing interviews to prevent Lars from saying all the stupid s**t he was prone to say. In the end, the nucleus of the band was always a close partnership between James and Lars. Not certain either would presume they had the ability to boot the other out of the band. I really believe this just something that Mustaine has floated around for his own reasons.
It prob all started with a stupid james/lars fight, and the fact that james playing improved so much thanks to cliffs instruction, while lars had no such guideance. the truth my never come out now that they have been the nucleus for so long. Lars does just fine behind the kit, for a very short time they were in danger of out growing his ability, but they just evoled in a dif direction and changed thir style. Lars is a lot cooler these days, Anyhow I thought the story/rumor came from ellefson not mustaine.
I remember Mustaine saying in an interview that there was apparently a plan to boot Lars after the Master of Puppets Tour; but then a bus crash happened and of course the rest is history.
I don't know how true that is, but you have to consider the source. Mustaine has still been in state of perpetual bitterness for years due to getting kicked out of Metallica. Even with the recent gigs that the two bands have done together, I still get the impression that not all wounds are healed. Even in a relatively recent interview, he was bragging about how he apparently banged Kirk's girlfriend years ago.
I don't know how true that is, but you have to consider the source. Mustaine has still been in state of perpetual bitterness for years due to getting kicked out of Metallica. Even with the recent gigs that the two bands have done together, I still get the impression that not all wounds are healed. Even in a relatively recent interview, he was bragging about how he apparently banged Kirk's girlfriend years ago.
Mustaine says a lot of things, many of which I am quite skeptical about.
Then again, Ulrich's most demanding drum work was on ...And Justice For All, so hmm.
Still, all hearsay. Myself, I don't think it's likely.
Then again, Ulrich's most demanding drum work was on ...And Justice For All, so hmm.
Still, all hearsay. Myself, I don't think it's likely.
In all honesty, thanks for chiming in on this topic. I thought your post was insightful and intriguing.
Thanks I guess. I'm always a little reluctant to post in these "Cliff" threads, because I don't want to come off as some Cliff know-it-all. But, I do sometimes feel compelled to post when I see Cliff being painted in a false light. Cliff had his share of blow ups with Lars, and he had some pretty cutting nicknames for him. But Cliff would never assume he had the power to kick Lars from the band Lars started. If Cliff was really fed up with Lars playing or his attitude or anything, he would have said it to Lars face. Cliff was brutally honest. And if things really got messy, I suspect it would have been Cliff who left. Being a rock star meant nothing to Cliff. He just like jamming out on his bass and whipping his head to the heaviest stuff he could create.
In the words of Forrest Gump "that's all I have to say about that."
In the words of Forrest Gump "that's all I have to say about that."
Not quite so sure... Cliff was not the dominant force in the band, Lars and James were. He did have a lot of musical respect within the band and if he didn't want to do it, it just would t happen.
Cliff is my hero and these threads always come up about what metallica would be like if he hasn't died, but to be honest I think justice and the black album would have happened almost exactly the same. Justice would have an audible bass line for a start and the black album would have more of a cliff feel to the bass lines as opposed to a third guitar vibe. In his last interview he hinted that the band would actually head this way. Personally I think the load/reload era would either have been very different or not happened at all, but overall I think he would be massively proud of the death magnetic album, and approve of the appointment of Rob Trujillo.
But to the OP, I think it would have been only natural that in the early to mid 90's he would have picked up a 5 string, and if I had to put my cash on it, it probably would have been a Warwick or a custom ESP. I think he would probably like Rob's twin j active setup, and gone with something fairly similar.
Ha ha don't forget the "YAY-YEEAH!"
Agreed
Part of this stems from the fact that Burton died when Metallica was METAL & people have seen how demetalized the rest of Metallica became in the ensuing years after Burton's death. So they associate Metallica's metalness with Burton. Butt really, there's no telling how Metallica would've ended up if Burton lived. Wasn't he the one who had most of the non-metal musical influences? They may not have put out The Loads but they could've still moved far, far away from Thrash even with Burton still in the band. Maybe it would've been good...maybe it would've been even worse than The Loads. There's really no telling how people can change especially when it's a bunch of people on the internet speculating about someone who is in reality a complete stranger them. It's still fun to do so though...
