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I'm predicting the end for Carvin.

There is no one who knows anything about electric guitars and basses that doesn't know at least something about Carvin. I think Kiesel relies on that just for the new name to have any relevance in the marketplace. Whatever you think of the brand or the product, the battle for recognition amongst the most intensive users of the product was won ages ago.

This is true, mainly due to the number of catalogs they used to send out. If you bought something musical from just about anywhere, you ended up on their list. But, the reality is I can count on exactly zero fingers the number of Carvins I have seen anywhere but the Internet or the Carvin catalog. Point being, even if they stay around...they are irrelevant.
 
This is true, mainly due to the number of catalogs they used to send out. If you bought something musical from just about anywhere, you ended up on their list. But, the reality is I can count on exactly zero fingers the number of Carvins I have seen anywhere but the Internet or the Carvin catalog. Point being, even if they stay around...they are irrelevant.

Maybe that's why we've seen Kiesel sending all these demo guitars/basses to people like Jared Dines (youtuber with a wide audience) and people from more "new waveish" bands so the brand establishes itself in this new djenty/prog market?
 
I have the original (narrow) spacing on my LB75 and it's the old Wilkinson bridge. Do you all know if there is a direct drop-in replacement for it? I know I'd have to use the top string loader since there are no ferrules in the body.

I saw someone else had posted before that the Babicz bridges are the same footprint as the old Wilkinsons. Not sure about the spacing though, but surely they offer them with the spacing you need.
 
1. The Kiesel breakoff seems to have hurt Carvin as far as BASS guitars go. IMO
2. Unusual bass styles no one has really taken to. IMO.
3. Instruments so good these days from everywhere that Carvin is not price competitive anymore.
4. But still pay US wages.
5. Poor reputation for amp failures.
6. So many quality boutique builders at competitive prices.
7. Incredible deals on all kinds of used instruments, way below Carvin prices.
8. I saw a poor instrument reveal video by the Kiesel son, which seemed unprofessional and desperate to me.
9. Carvin name is just not as powerful anymore.

It seems that until technology had caught up - that Carvin filled a real need. A quality American instrument, at below Fender prices with some customization. BACK IN THE DAY. Now, you can get what you want almost anywhere, and below Carvin prices for comparable quality or better.

I'm not too in tune with their guitar business, but I imagine that it's their pro audio gear and regular guitars that will keep them in business.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion-- however, if you are going to make an assertion as you did in #1, it helps to explain what you're basing it on. Otherwise the credibility of everything that follows is questionable ;)

#5). I've owned several Carvin amps over the years and all-- without exception, have been bullet proof. Any product is bound to have failures, and internet forums tend to highlight those failures.

#6). "So many boutique builders at competitive prices." Really? Maybe we have VERY different definitions of "boutique" and "competitive" on this one. I generally use G&L, and Music Man as my "standard." You can get just about anything from those two for between $1,000 - $1500. Boutique builders begin somewhere around the $2500 mark... I have a hard time finding "competitive" in that comparison. Even if you go crazy with a special build through Kiesel, a like item from a boutique builder will not likely be competitive. Granted, a lot of subjectivity going on here...

Prices/competitiveness: Your comments make me wonder if you have you been to the Kiesel website lately... not just their "guitars in stock" section, but the build area. P-basses start at $799, and that's before the $100 in free options-- for a USA made instrument. Many MIM Fenders go for more than that, not to mention Asian imports sporting "boutique names" which are often well above $1K. Perhaps you should re-visit the web site...

The split between the two companies appears to have been a boost to the guitar/bass side of the house; i.e. Kiesel. They are moving into a new, much larger facility, continuing to improve their equipment, hiring additional people, build times have increased due to increase in orders... these do not appear to be signs of trouble, rather quite the opposite.

Maybe I'm just 'out-there,' because I have NEVER bought a guitar/bass (car, truck, motorcycle, etc.) with the intention of selling it. Every time that concept appears it makes me wonder what the heck people are thinking-- maybe it is some sort of millennials thing. I just do not understand that logic.

One thing you said that does indeed make sense is that, "Now, you can get what you want almost anywhere..." We live in arguably the best time in history to be a bass player. The level of quality from entry level manufactures is far and away better than what was available when I was a kid. Perhaps a latent result is that people have become jaded, and hyper focused with the item rather than the purpose of the item. Sorry, I'm getting sidetracked.

The vast majority of players I've met who have actually owned Carvin/Kiesel basses, guitars, and amps are quite happy with the quality, reliability, and customer service the company provides.

Only time will tell if your prediction will come true. However, I would not bet the farm on it ;)
 
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This is true, mainly due to the number of catalogs they used to send out. If you bought something musical from just about anywhere, you ended up on their list. But, the reality is I can count on exactly zero fingers the number of Carvins I have seen anywhere but the Internet or the Carvin catalog. Point being, even if they stay around...they are irrelevant.

I remember I would freak out every time I would see a Carvin on MTV back in the day! I didn't freak out much.

Here's a pair of Carvins.




And White Lion. I referred to their bass player as 'Joey Carvin' for the longest time because I could never remember his name.

 
My completely uninformed two cents: I bought a MB12 combo because schlepping around the old iron I prefer didn't make sense all the time. It is a bit noisy, but it does what I need it to do well enough that I bought an extension cabinet so I could use it for more purposes. It doesn't sound anything like the Acoustic Control amps I prefer, but it's fine for playing the upright and getting a reasonably good sound. It was inexpensive, especially for US made gear. I have been using it not quite daily for about six months and it hasn't got any noisier. I suppose there's some kind of shielding or maybe just internal noise issue, but for the price, I can't complain a bit.

So, I hope they stick around. It's good to have an option like that.
 
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My completely uninformed two cents: I bought a MB12 combo because schlepping around the old iron I prefer didn't make sense all the time. It is a bit noisy, but it does what I need it to do well enough that I bought an extension cabinet so I could use it for more purposes. It doesn't sound anything like the Acoustic Control amps I prefer, but it's fine for playing the upright and getting a reasonably good sound. It was inexpensive, especially for US made gear. I have been using it not quite daily for about six months and it hasn't got any noisier. I suppose there's some kind of shielding or maybe just internal noise issue, but for the price, I can't complain a bit.

So, I hope they stick around. It's good to have an option like that.
Strange,my MB15 is quiet until the single coils interact with the florescent lights.
 
Amp failures? I have heard of no such thing. I don't use Carvin amps but I have heard they are as high quality as the best of them.
Back in the early 2000's I drove to the Carvin store in Azusa and bought a stack consisting of an RL600, a Redline 2x10, and Redline 115. I also bought an AG100 multi - instrument 3 channel 1×12 combo. Within a few months, both amps failed.....and even after sending them back to Carvin for repair, neither ever worked consistently again. I have been reluctant to buy their amps ever since, though they certainly have great features. Hopefully the reliability has greatly improved since then.
 
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My biggest problem with their basses is the weight. Most of their models are north of 10 pounds and there are a few on their "in stock" page that are north of 12. To me that is lunacy. I custom ordered a JB5 about a year ago, paying special attention to the woods and options to try to keep it in the 9.5 pound range. It showed up at north of 11.5. For my middle aged and hockey beaten shoulders and back, that is just too damned heavy.
 
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Carvin was founded in 1946 , I'm predicting they'll be around long after most of us are dead .

I think Carvin/
I think they serve a purpose and be still be around for some time to come.
I also think they would be well served to have showrooms in other parts
of the counrty.
I wouldn't mind spending some time trying out what they have to offer,
but I am not about to drive to San Deigo to do it.

Carvin is surviving on reputation (being around since 1946). However, I agree with the other posters who say competition is providing other options to consumers. They also have started developing a reputation for less than adequate customer service, an outdated POS system, and low resale value compared to other models.

The Carvin showroom in San Diego is pretty small, as is the company. It seems like a mom and pop shop. Everybody knows everybody.

I purchased a Carvin (JB5) recently. I'm less than impressed with the electronics, but the instrument is high quality. The preamp has an annoying buzz and the batteries last 2 weeks. I won't be able to sell it for many years without losing a lot of money.
 
Well, after all the Sturm und Drang on here so far, I'll just say this. I like Kiesel/Carvin because, other than Alembic, they're the only company that I know of that offers everything in a lefty. Not just a couple of basses in a couple of colors - everything. And without an upcharge, either.:)
 
An awful lot of discussion of an assertion that appears to be based on alot of opinion and not much actual fact. Not to say that I have any insider info, but...
-I still see folks here NBD'ing New Carvins and liking them
-There's still no other company offering USA made custom instruments at anywhere near as low a price as Carvins
-They seem to be offering a new model of bass an average of every 1.5 years, which wasn't nearly as common when I became aware of Carvin in the 90's. Since 2006 we've gotten the Icon, SB, Vanquish, Vader, PB, JB, Bromberg and Accelerator.

I really liked my 2000 LB75F and it was my main player for about 5 years. It eventually fell out of favor with me in favor of wider nuts (come on Carvin, do a 1.625 4 string!!!) but it was a good instrument and they've gotten notably better over the years. I really see nothing that suggests that Carvin is on the way out.
 
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This is true, mainly due to the number of catalogs they used to send out. If you bought something musical from just about anywhere, you ended up on their list. But, the reality is I can count on exactly zero fingers the number of Carvins I have seen anywhere but the Internet or the Carvin catalog. Point being, even if they stay around...they are irrelevant.

It's a small company, but it sustains. What more is there for ANY business? Either buy it or don't. Clearly enough do.
 
Back in the early 2000's I drove to the Carvin store in Azusa and bought a stack consisting of an RL600, a Redline 2x10, and Redline 115. I also bought an AG100 multi - instrument 3 channel 1×12 combo. Within a few months, both amps failed.....and even after sending them back to Carvin for repair, neither ever worked consistently again. I have been reluctant to buy their amps ever since, though they certainly have great features. Hopefully the reliability has greatly improved since then.

I recall reading - here on TB - that they had real issues with their power sections at that time. I too hope they got it together!
 
It's a small company, but it sustains. What more is there for ANY business? Either buy it or don't. Clearly enough do.

Carvin has stayed in San Diego pretty much forever
Carvin employs US citizens to make it's electric guitars, amps and cabs
Carvin has resisted doing what all the big boys have done - offshored their workforce to avoid EPA / labor laws.

So yeah - I think they deserve support. And no, I don't have one - because nearly every Carvin bass I've played has left me feeling "Meh". I nearly got an SB5000 a few years ago (those do play / sounds great) but ended up with Sadowsky.