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In ear monitors

I'm a mediocre bassist in a covers band and I'm looking at getting some in ear monitors to save my ears, space and weight.

I can't afford anything expensive, does anyone have any suggestions?

Also, I'm the type of bassist who likes to move around during a gig, I also like to place my foot on our wedge monitors to "rock out", has anyone made or used an alternative?
 
Some basic questions:
Is your bass wireless or wired?
What's your budget ?
Who controls your wedge mixes?
Can you get a feed from your bass amp AND the console?

Wireless will cost you more than wired.
Rolls PM351 is a budget alternative to wireless... but you WILL be tethered to the device. If your bass is wired.. no big deal.

PS: Whatever route you go.. I recommend decent TRIPLE driver ear buds, such as the Westone UM30.. If you buy cheap wireless, the wireless will likely work OK, but the single-driver buds that come with that system will probably not make you happy.

PPS: I'm not affiliated w/ either vendor mentioned above.

There's MANY, MANY discussions on this topic in this forum. Try a search on the PM351 and see what pops up.. Quite a few folks using it.
 
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Thanks very much for replying.

I play bass using a wireless system to give me freedom of movement, I like to move around a lot when the energy is flowing.

I was aiming for the £100-£150 sort of price range which I know excludes many systems. We don't get paid much unfortunately, we play for enjoyment mostly.

Sound is controlled by the singer who is very experienced. I he is updating his gear so there will be separate monitor outputs we can control ourselves using an app.

I use an LM3 so have an output available on there if required.

Thanks for you help, I really appreciate it and will look at the topics you mentioned.

Ian
 
I was aiming for the £100-£150 sort of price range which I know excludes many systems. We don't get paid much unfortunately, we play for enjoyment mostly.
Ian, sounds like you are in the UK. I have zero experience with UK based wireless, but I would guess you would need to go that route, given your bass is already wireless. I have no idea of what would be available for you budget,, but I stand by my recommendation on spending the money to get decent ears.
Let us know how it goes...
 
We just went to an IEM system. We'd been using wedges, of course, but we've played some really small places that made it impossible to place anything else besides us on stage. We tried a little FM radio transmitter thingy where each of us had a little MP3/FM radio but the sound quality, as you can imagine, was awful. I never used it myself. In the places we've played (we're small-time), I could hear everything pretty well and with my amp right behind me, I can hear myself just fine.

We played an outdoor gig this past Saturday (a "market days" event in a little town in the country) and we used the new IEM system for the first time. I didn't have decent earbuds to use and as expected, they wouldn't stay in my ears (we're talking cheap MP3 player earbuds), so I never used the IEM for this gig. I could hear everything but it was a bit more muffled from my perspective and there were times when my bass notes became mud against everything else (not sure how much of it was the new guy not knowing his parts so well or just my perspective). Our friends and family listening and the vendors around us all thought we sounded great so it certainly must have been my perspective. When I got home, I started researching decent earbuds.

I'm on a serious budget, i.e. restrictive, so even something like the Shure SE215's are out of my price range (at $89). Everything else out there, in my price range, are all for smart phones, meaning they all have a mic. I also have weird ears because I have never found a standard earbud that would stay in my ear. The best results I've had are with the earbuds that came with my iPhone 7, but they have the funky connector (with no converter on the market) so that wasn't an option. Then I discovered the MEE Audio M6 Pro's. $36 on Amazon.

I read lots of reviews (I like to read the bad ones first) on a lot of different earbuds. I was mainly looking at ones that were meant for running or the gym, for excessive motion and sweating. There were plenty of mixed reviews on all of them, from fit to sound quality. When I honed in on the M6's, I could not find a valid bad review (filtering out the "I didn't like them" reviews). I watched a ton of reviews on YouTube and still not one bad review.

In the box, they include two cables, one with a mic and one without. The cables use the "memory wire" for around the ear. They include 6 pairs of silicone tips, of varying sizes and shapes, and a pair of Comply T-200 tips. There's also a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter and a nice hard-shell carrying case. I looked at the price of replacing the cable ($10) and the Comply tips (3 for $20). MEE also offers a half-price replacement policy should you lose or break your buds for any reason. For $36, it seemed like a pretty safe investment.

They come today and I can't wait to try them out. I'm looking forward to hearing a better sound on stage, regardless of how big or small. Most of all, I'm really hoping they will fit my ears using whatever tips work best. I'll report back about the fit and comfort later this evening. We have a gig Friday night so if anyone is interested, I'll report back on the earbud's performance.
 
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Well, the M6's arrived sooner than I expected. Let's hear it for the postman.

I went right to selecting the most comfortable set of tips and I've been wearing them for almost two hours how. During that time I ate some lunch (a bowl of spaghetti), put the clean dishes away and did the dirty dishes. This whole time they have never come out. The right feels like it is but when I press on it, it doesn't really move nor does the sound change (because I may have lost a good seal), so I can only surmise that it's not really moving and it's only my imagination. They feel very comfortable so far. No discomfort in my ear at all. It took a little bit of fiddling to get the memory wire just right but it wasn't a huge deal. They really feel like part of my head. I can shake my head and there's no kind of wiggle at all. I'm no Flea when it comes to being on stage so I'm confident they'll stay in place during a gig.

As for the sound, I've read many reviews where they suggest that you burn them in for awhile. Some say a couple of hours others say more and one even said 12 hrs or more. This test fit time is also serving as my burn in time. They were a bit shrill when I first turned on the music but then I also had to turn the volume down from where I normally have it for the iPhone earbuds. Right off the bat, the sounds wasn't bad. In the two hours, I'm either just getting used to the sound or they have gradually warmed up, but they sound pretty good just listening to iPhone music. Pretty even tone, low to high. I can't wait to hear them when we play Friday night.

As for noise isolation, so far it's pretty good. When I went downstairs to eat my lunch, one of the kids was watching TV. While music was playing, I couldn't hear it all. During moments of silence, I could barely hear it. Getting a bowl from the cupboard, I barely heard the clanging of the dishes. Same with when I was putting the dishes away. And just like when you plug your ears, you can hear yourself in your head.

I'm happy with my purchase so far. The real test is Friday when I put them through their paces at our gig. I'll give y'all some feedback over the weekend.
 
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We just went to an IEM system. We'd been using wedges, of course, but we've played some really small places that made it impossible to place anything else besides us on stage. We tried a little FM radio transmitter thingy where each of us had a little MP3/FM radio but the sound quality, as you can imagine, was awful. I never used it myself. In the places we've played (we're small-time), I could hear everything pretty well and with my amp right behind me, I can hear myself just fine.

We played an outdoor gig this past Saturday (a "market days" event in a little town in the country) and we used the new IEM system for the first time. I didn't have decent earbuds to use and as expected, they wouldn't stay in my ears (we're talking cheap MP3 player earbuds), so I never used the IEM for this gig. I could hear everything but it was a bit more muffled from my perspective and there were times when my bass notes became mud against everything else (not sure how much of it was the new guy not knowing his parts so well or just my perspective). Our friends and family listening and the vendors around us all thought we sounded great so it certainly must have been my perspective. When I got home, I started researching decent earbuds.

I'm on a serious budget, i.e. restrictive, so even something like the Shure SE215's are out of my price range (at $89). Everything else out there, in my price range, are all for smart phones, meaning they all have a mic. I also have weird ears because I have never found a standard earbud that would stay in my ear. The best results I've had are with the earbuds that came with my iPhone 7, but they have the funky connector (with no converter on the market) so that wasn't an option. Then I discovered the MEE Audio M6 Pro's. $36 on Amazon.

I read lots of reviews (I like to read the bad ones first) on a lot of different earbuds. I was mainly looking at ones that were meant for running or the gym, for excessive motion and sweating. There were plenty of mixed reviews on all of them, from fit to sound quality. When I honed in on the M6's, I could not find a valid bad review (filtering out the "I didn't like them" reviews). I watched a ton of reviews on YouTube and still not one bad review.

In the box, they include two cables, one with a mic and one without. The cables use the "memory wire" for around the ear. They include 6 pairs of silicone tips, of varying sizes and shapes, and a pair of Comply T-200 tips. There's also a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter and a nice hard-shell carrying case. I looked at the price of replacing the cable ($10) and the Comply tips (3 for $20). MEE also offers a half-price replacement policy should you lose or break your buds for any reason. For $36, it seemed like a pretty safe investment.

They come today and I can't wait to try them out. I'm looking forward to hearing a better sound on stage, regardless of how big or small. Most of all, I'm really hoping they will fit my ears using whatever tips work best. I'll report back about the fit and comfort later this evening. We have a gig Friday night so if anyone is interested, I'll report back on the earbud's performance.

These Sennheiser buds are under $40 and very good.

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Wow, what a fantastic welcome to talkbass, that is some brilliant feedback there. GuiTuber, it looks like we are in roughly the same situation. You have also just mentioned the M6 pros which I have been looking at too. I look forward to your post gig feedback although they look to be a good choice at my price range. For the monitor system I'm looking at a brand called "Gear for Music" which sells a system for around £80. I believe it is a system that will not blow anyone away but will do the job.

I've just updated my amp gear to a Mark Bass set up so I get disapproving looks form the other half if I mention spending more money. Currently my gig money is going towards supporting the family too so my max budget is around £150 at the most. Doesn't help that equipment seems more expensive over here in Britain.

Thanks again for your help, it is much appreciated, I can't wait to hear about your post gig performance. Enjoy your gig.

Many thanks

Ian
 
This is the system I am considering using with the M6 pros.

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Interesting that it has one stereo input jack. I'm not an expert but it is my impression that an aux send on a mixer is a mono signal. To achieve a stereo signal you'd need a second aux send and an adapter to bring the two mono signals together into the wireless unit. Is this unit intended to be used the other members of your band?

Our band leader purchased our wireless unit but it only came with 4 receivers. I forget the details but when he ordered another receiver it was going to arrive too late for our last gig so he placed another order with faster shipping. Somehow, he didn't realize the receiver came with another transmitter so we now have 3 transmitters.

Now that we're using the monitoring system, I need to send a signal to the mixer, which is doable. The problem is, the mixer we typically use doesn't have enough inputs so we're using our old mixer as a slave. The benefit is that now, instead of just two aux sends from the original mixer, we have two more from the old mixer. With some planning and a few splitters, along with the 3 transmitters, we could have 3 separate monitor mixes for the 6 members of our band.

I will ask at our practice tonight what the brand/model is and how much he paid. I know it wasn't terribly expensive as he is of limited means himself.
 
Since getting the M6 Pro's, I happened upon some other earbuds while perusing YouTube.

From a company called KZ. The make a line of inexpensive in-ear headphones, in the $15 range. One of them, the ATE Copper model, has the memory wire to go over the ear. The other models are standard earbuds. They're all meant for smart phone use so they have a mic, but the reviews I found on YouTube gave praise to the sound quality. Something to consider, being that you're on a budget.
 
I tried a lot IEM related stuff recently.

I can recommend the thoman's own IEM 200 series for sender and bodypack.
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This is the cheapest thing I'd enter a stage with.


I don't know what frequencies in the UK are used, but maybe you guys had the same thing happening with the band
just below 820mHz, which was used for wireless musical stuff (mics, instrument senders, IEMs) was recently opened for LTE mobile data and closed down for these applications in Germany. Over here, these old units can be bought really cheap second hand and the Sennheiser 300 series go up to 822mHz. I don't know how legal or illegal it is to run such a unit, but I tried setting one of these all the way up to 822 and it worked fine.


The main problem with wireless IEM on a tight budget are the earbuds.
Bassplayers and drummers profit a lot from the expensive ones with more than one driver.
I managed to get some Sure 535ltd's for about two hundred quid used but in mint condition.
These do the job for me so well that i only bring an amp to a gig when the provided FOH system is too weak to
handle my bass.

I tried IEM before, with not-so-cheap single driver buds (around a hundred Euros) and concluded that IEM is not for me, as did many others.
After being told multiple times that with better buds, you get something totally different in terms of 'feeling' your playing, i gave it a second shot and really like what happened.

In fact, on the last rehearsal, I muted my amp between songs and forgot to unmute it again. When we started playing, about one minute in the song, the drummer, who's not on IEM, stopped and looked at me like i was a special kind of stupid. He saw my puzzled look and asked me very politely if it was within my abilities to turn my amp back on. I run my signal from my Sansamp's DI to the board and from the normal output to the FX return of the head, so i have the same sound on my IEMs and in the room. I did not realize at all that my amp was muted. Neither did the guitar players who are also on IEM. Mind, this is a 500w fullstack with the master at 12 o'clock, so nothing to be easily missed.
 
So.. Stereo IEM mixes are generally better for monitoring as you can pan instruments to the side of the stage they are on (relative to your position). This is great at church where there can often be two (or more) acoustic or electric guitars and sometimes keys.
Having available output busses for those stereo mixes is ALWAYS a challenge. Most mixer outputs (AUX or busses) are mono, so you need TWO for each IEM mix. This is a major problem on ANALOG consoles for setup and management. With DIGITAL consoles, it's a built-in feature. Select a buss, link it to the one next to it, and bingo!, you've got a stereo output buss.
Our solution.. an X32 rack and an S16.
That gets us 32 FULL input channels (which the Rack supports) and 16 output busses.. 7 stereo IEM mixes, or 8 if you don't need to use the main output busses (7/8), or 11 - if you use the 6 AUX busses. They connect to each other via CAT5 cable.
Small footprint.. Both can be housed in the same rack with your wireless transmitters.. and the whole thing is pretty portable.
 
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Great gig last night with my new MEE Audio M6 Pro earbuds.

With all of us being more prepared, i.e. our second gig with the new wireless IEM system, we played better as a whole. We even got compliments about how good we sounded.

I should mention that the wireless IEM system our band leader (Nick) bought is the Audio2000S AWM6304U. We are using a Yamaha EMX7 powered mixer as our main board and another Yamaha unpowered mixed as a slave (now that we need more inputs if we're all going IEM's). The wireless unit was connected to the stereo out connectors on the front of the EMX7, which is the same output as the mains (which have their connections on the back of the unit). It was not connected to the aux sends. That will be a topic of discussion at our next practice.

When I first powered on the receiver with my earbuds in, I was blown away by the clarity. Everybody was doing their soundchecks so it was just a mashup of random sounds, but I could hear everything crystal clear. I must say, my initial reaction is influenced by my not ever using IEM's nor ever hearing a really good mix from wherever I stand when we play.

Our percussionist uses congas and djembes with a tray of shaker eggs. He plays with his hands mostly, of course, but also plays with brushes. When he does, that's when he'll employ the eggs. With the IEM system and my new earbuds, I could hear those eggs very clearly.

For myself, I sent a signal to the slave board from the DI out on my Plex, with the switch set to "Pre". I had my amp behind me, but I didn't have it as loud as I would have had it without being connected to the PA. Through the earbuds I could hear myself but not as loudly as I would have liked. However, with the amp behind me, it provided a balance that worked well for me.

That was just the soundcheck. Now on to the playing.

For the most part, everything was great. I could hear all the vocals, the guitars, the keyboard and the drums, and of course, myself. There was some distortion at times when things got really loud. I always had the volume on my receiver very low. It was maybe at 2 or 3 to start with but I eventually turned it down to 1 or 2. That tells me that it wasn't my earbuds. During the soundcheck, I heard very loud individual sounds, like from the one guitarist who employs a mic'ed amp on stage, and nothing was ever distorted. It was when we were playing when all the instruments and vocals were going that it would get distorted. I have a feeling it was because we may have been feeding the wireless system a signal that was too hot. As I said, that will be a discussion for the next practice.

From a balance standpoint, the sound of the earbuds worked for me. Nothing to shrill and I could hear the bass. The receivers have a slider switch to effect some EQ. I had mine set to "elevated bass". I didn't take much time to test the other settings (elevated treble, elevated bass & treble and bypass) to see how much different things were. With my set up however, I was very pleased with how everything sounded, distortion notwithstanding.

Comfort-wise, I had no problems. No itching or tickling. They always stayed in my ears. The little noose thingy and the shirt clip kept everything stable and it was easy to forget I was wearing them.

All in all, I am very satisfied with my purchase and can't wait to get more gig time on them.
 

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