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Is a high priced bass necessary?

Well as a guitar player possibly you can appreciate this. I play classical guitar. I've played since I was a child and it's going on 50 years soon. The guitar in my avatar was made by the late New York Luthier, Manouk Papazian. When Papazian died in 2000, His son, John, found about 50 unfinished guitars in his father's house. Another New York state luthier, Davis LaPlante, a fan of Papazian's work was enlisted as the one to finish the guitars and sell them off. The last of them sold about 2 years ago. I got the last one. Though it was new and unplayed, the date written in white chalk on the inside was 1972. After almost 30 years it had a seam split in the soundboard. LaPlante cleated and glued it and it has been stable. But cosmetics being what they are in determining prices, LaPlante sold it to me with a case for $1650. Even in perfect condition Papazian's classicals for some reason, don't command much more than about $3500-4000. To make a long story short, the guitar I was playing that now sits in its case cost me $7000. I'll leave its maker's name out of this. Its chief virtue is loudness. Beyond that it's pretty to look at. The one with mojo at its best would be half as much but is worth far more than what I paid for it. One can look at price tags, but one can't play a price tag.
 
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I am of the belief that better basses cost more. Up to a point. If I were put in a store with about 50 basses priced between $200 and $1000, and was told I could have any one bass, I doubt if I'd just grab the most expensive one. I would try them out and I bet there is one for less money that would just feel right. The $800 would be better that the $200 bass; but that doesn't mean the $1000 bass would be better than the $750 bass. Just my take on it.
 
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Unfortunately the world or at least the U.S.A. is flooded with imports that are of decent quality. Personally I dont own any Chinese stuff on principal. There's lots of Korean and older Japanese guitars floating around. Often with very little wear. I always buy used and the "guitar center used" site is a great place for that with a refund policy that is 45 days or something like that. Shipping is inexpensive thru GC too. Of course if you find a reason for disatisfaction they'll refund the shipping too. Good luck!!
 
No, cost is not critical. I'm old(er) but I judge every thing against a well setup, four string, passive, pbass. You can get one at your budget. They will serve for years (like a strat, tele, LP, SG, etc). Get to know one of those, then evaluate the others. There are improvements, but just like guitars, the cost of improvements can be high, or you can just get lucky.
 

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Before I say anything, I played guitar for 12 years and know the difference between a $200 instrument and a $2000 instrument but I've only been playing bass for 2-3 yrs and am still learning about the instrument. When it comes to guitars, I personally believe that the cheapest guitar can sound good in the hands of a good player but I've been told that the bass is different in that respect. I currently have an Ibanez SR305DX that I bought from a friend for almost nothing and I know that it's a "beginners" bass. My band records and mixes everything in-house and will eventually be playing shows. I can't really afford anything too crazy so my question is, can a moderately/mid-priced 5-string bass be adequate for recording and performing live? To me a high priced bass is $800+. I was looking to get something with a 35" scale and spend around $500-$600. A lot of reviews for basses in that range say things like "Good for practice" etc. Just want some opinions from more experienced players than I. Thanks.

$800? Oh, friend - welcome to the world of bass playing. $800 gets you a good to decent instrument *used*. New? Fuggitaboutit. Double that and then we're talking. $500-$600 you can get... uh... something made overseas. Yippee.
 
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I can't really afford anything too crazy so my question is, can a moderately/mid-priced 5-string bass be adequate for recording and performing live? To me a high priced bass is $800+.
I own a genuine 1972 Jazz bass worth about 2 grand plus its previous owner adds value to it as well. The Reason I own it? Because it works and has a cool back story... That's it. I believe that getting a jazz bass of any make that can be set up well with the right pickups can sound just as good. I've turned $50 squires into instruments comparable to the real fenders, the only thing lacking is the perfect smoothness to the sides of their frets when new.
In short, you don't need to spend above 300 bucks if you can find a nice set of pickups(internal preamp if needed) for a good deal online, and hunt down a cheap bass on craigslist with a solid desired hardwood neck(maple or mahogany, don't venture too much further than that), and a solid body. I personally use passive pickups in my basses, then have external bass eq pedals which I use as my pre-amp.
Personally, I would recommend the Sire brand (its getting a lot of good rep) or the Squire Classic Vibe(that 70's jazz 5 string is killer, and you can pick them up for 230 bucks used!). I'd recommend the Jazz because at least with my experience in the studio, the jazz seems to be the standard, even venturing into heavy metal.
 
Here's my humble opinion, The player makes the bass, not the other way around. I seen guys with Alembics, Custom Shop Fenders, etc. that couldn't play their way out of a wet paper bag. If it plays good, sounds good and feels right, then you're good to go.

One of my favorite basses to play live (give my Rickybasses a rest for a set or two) is my ole $350 Peavey T40. It plays good, sounds good, heavier than hell especially as I get older. You can demo a house with this dude and then play a gig with it that night, maybe not even having to tune it.:)
 
Before I say anything, I played guitar for 12 years and know the difference between a $200 instrument and a $2000 instrument but I've only been playing bass for 2-3 yrs and am still learning about the instrument. When it comes to guitars, I personally believe that the cheapest guitar can sound good in the hands of a good player but I've been told that the bass is different in that respect.

Well fess up! I've talked to lots of guitar players and I play a bit myself. Guitarists ALL assure me that if you play a cheap "beginner' instrument that you aren't serious about music. And that will be obvious to everyone at all your auditions too. A Squire instrument in either guitar or bass is a fast path to the audition door, but an instrument without a Fender-shaped headstock is even faster even if it cost $2000!

Guitarists all know the importance of having an expensive "just right" instrument for showing class. Bass players not so much. I know a certain bass player who always rocks the house who only owns two basses: a Squire junker and beginner Ibanez. (of course I would run over my grandmother to own either of those basses but that is another story) But since he's just a bass player he doesn't wear leather pants or understand the importance of his "image'.

So I take no chances. I own two Modulus basses, a Ken Smith, a custom Carvin, an Alembic, Two USA G&Ls and a MIM Fender Jazz where I put a tiny piece of duct tape over the MIM on the headstock so nobody will know I only paid $300 for it. The best thing about owning all these expensive basses is I never need to play. I just put on an expensive bass and stand there striking a guitarist pose and that's enough for anyone to judge my "musicianship".

Seriously, "Image" is for guitarists. Tone is for bassists. Rule: Tone is where you find it. Then you just pay whatever it takes to own it. It might be $80 or it might be 8 grand. That's just how life works.
 
I've said many times that I'm brand snob but I honestly believe that I can hear and feel the difference between something thats acceptable and something thats nicer. I think I play better too.

Its a fact that you can buy perfectly acceptable instruments for incredibly low prices. You can buy a watch that keeps time accurately for $30 - but I wear nice Swiss watches that cost 100 times more. Why? Because I like the way it looks and feels.
 
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Before I say anything, I played guitar for 12 years and know the difference between a $200 instrument and a $2000 instrument but I've only been playing bass for 2-3 yrs and am still learning about the instrument. When it comes to guitars, I personally believe that the cheapest guitar can sound good in the hands of a good player but I've been told that the bass is different in that respect. I currently have an Ibanez SR305DX that I bought from a friend for almost nothing and I know that it's a "beginners" bass. My band records and mixes everything in-house and will eventually be playing shows. I can't really afford anything too crazy so my question is, can a moderately/mid-priced 5-string bass be adequate for recording and performing live? To me a high priced bass is $800+. I was looking to get something with a 35" scale and spend around $500-$600. A lot of reviews for basses in that range say things like "Good for practice" etc. Just want some opinions from more experienced players than I. Thanks.
The Schecter Diamond Series J Plus is about the best you can do in that price range. Also look at the Yamaha TRBX505. I used to have a lot of expensive basses, but I have since switched out gear to less pricey gear. I had a US Lakland, Gould i4, Warwick Thumb NT 6, and a Warwick Star II. I sold them all and bought a Yamaha TRBX 504, an ESP LTD RB1004, a Bacchus jazz bass, and Warmoth build P bass. I love my current lineup and don't freak out anymore if they take a tumble. I am considering swapping out my Yamaha for another ESP, but the jury is still out on that. I also maintained my pricey amp tastes (Genzler), but have really nice Carvin and Hartke rigs as well.
 
Thanks everyone I appreciate the advice. I don't know why, maybe because it still feels foreign, but bass shopping is intimidating as f*ck to me. The thing with my situation is my band drop tunes. Up until recently, we were strictly drop C and I was tuning CGCFA. About a month ago my 2 guitarists bought 7-strings and are going to be tuning to drop A (AEADGBE). I'm going to be tuning AEADG and that's why I'm looking for a 5-string with a 35" scale. From what I understand that will support a heavier string in drop tuning better than a 34" scale. Unless I've been told wrong...
The Schecter Diamond J Plus is really what you want for the 35 in scale. I'd also recommend Kalium strings. They're tension is great and gauges are customizable which will allow you to get the tuning you want while maintaining a good string tension. The only other 35 in 5er that I can think if in your price range would be something from Peavey.
 
Yes, whether you are a 10 yrs old beginner, so broke you'll need to sell a kidney to buy your bass, or just need a bass to record a three notes song on a demo, you DO need the fancy stuff. If you don't crack at least $2.5k on a bass, you are just a loser in my mind.

(BTW, on TB the answer to any question starting by "do I need..." is always YES.