Is EDEN on the way out?

[Rip Van Dan]

Funny ... as long as I've been on TB, I've never seen an Eden product. Hmmmm! I must be out of the loop

Here's a few of my Eden products. If you want to see a bunch, ask @Bassmann1968 to post his "Eden Mountain" picture.

Eden Nemesis RS400 - 400-watts rms into 4 ohms. This was my first Eden amp. I bought it in 2008. It has an FET front end as opposed to the hybrid on the WT series and just one semi-parametric control instead of three. The first time I played through it, the sound amazed me! It was soooooo much better than the various bits of gear I'd been putting together since 1997.

This is my "big" Eden amp. It's a 1999 WT500 that was upgraded to 400-watts per channel and 800-watts bridged by David Nordschow hisownself. This amp lived on his test bench and was used to develop the Eden amps from 1999 until he left Eden in 2009. I bought it from him in 2010 thanks to the intercession of Lane Baldwin (LaneOnBass).

He also signed it for me and, since he'd already started his new company DNA, unlike the way he used to sign Eden amps as "David Eden" while he owned it and was still there, he signed this one "David Nordschow". He also noted and initialed the upgrade to 800-watts:

The newest Eden amp I have is the TN-226 class D 225-watt rms amp. Bought it specifically to use with a single Eden EX-112-4 cab for a small venue we played all the time. Here it is in its shoulder bag:

And here is my small-venue rig. I carry that 4.7-lb amp in its shoulder bag, grab the 30-lb. cab by its back-center handle and grab my bass in my other hand. makes load in and out a breeze. My wireless goes inside my "Orvis Battenkill Briefcase" that I have turned into my gig bag. And I get amazingly good sound out of that one cab:

In fact, I was so impressed with the sound out of one, that I bought another to use at medium-sized venues. Since they were 4 ohm cabs, I had to use my Eden 1999 WT500/800 to run both my Eden EX-112 4 ohm cabs. Here's the rig I used for great medium-sized venues until I bought my DNS-210 cab late in 2019.

Oh Yeah, one other little Eden thing I have. I bought an Eden WTDI when I first started playing that one little club and was forced to use a Peavey 112 combo that I just couldn't get a sound I liked out of. With thisI can literally make any amp sound like an Eden amp with it because this little stompbox-sized WTDI box has a built-in Eden WT preamp in it as well as an adjustable compressor. I just plug this into the "effects-return" of the host amp. That bypasses the host amp's preamp and sends my Eden's preamp sound directly to that amp's power section. I've also used the balanced-out to run directly into sound boards both live and at professional recording studios At $149, it's the least expensive bit of Eden gear I've purchased but certainly one of the most versatile.

So, now you've seen some Eden gear! Just wait until Armin (@Bassmann1968) posts his mountain...

 

[Jon McBass]

D410XST is still available. A little ahem heavy, but rated at 1,000 watts RMS. Well tuned, very efficient, with a great frequency range.

Years ago I chose the D410XST for the power handling and flat frequency response which also goes lower than the XLT. I still think they’re the best cabs aside from the ridiculous weight. Used to drive them with a tube preamp and stereo Crown power amp. Still have the two 410s, but at almost 100 lb apiece plus probably 50-60 lbs for the rack case they only get used for special big noise occasions. Otherwise my Mesa D-800+ and Genzler Bass Array 12-3 for everything. Which for the last 7 months is pretty much nothing.

 

[bass.slinger]

If you like the 410 xlt , the DNA 410 at about 70 lbs. will amaze you.

DNA is a great cab but does not have the midrange of an Eden 410XLT. I never warmed up to the XST cabs.

I am hanging on to my WT-400 and D410XLT. However, my main gig rig now is a Mesa WD-800 and Subway 210.

 

[tbasstreble11]

It’s like asking are Fender Super Reverbs or Vox AC15s on the way out. I just scored a free (FREE!) Eden traveller/tuner rack + 410/115XLT stack and it took about 1 minute of playing through it with my Player P to decide it’s worth the schlep over my Markbass 151 CMD for anything other than small gigs. The tone is ridiculous. It’s warm and clear and what good bass sounds like. I’ve been at so many gigs the last few years where I’ve thought - man, that bass sounds good... only to look over and see a 410XLT, regardless of what amp (mostly Eden WT series) on top.

I’ve really wondered how far new tech can actually improve what electric bass can sound like. Looking at all the tone shaping pedals and DIs on the market, I’m spoilt for choice and a bit put off by it. The Traveller 550 I’ve got sounds great at extremely low settings and I’m sold on the height of the full stack. If I got it as a result of EDEN being out of vogue because people don’t like the weight or whatever, good for me

 

[Jeff Scott]

Iran® my WT-400 through a pair of Bag End S-15D cabinets for a while then I sold those when I bought my pair of EV B-210 cabinets which crushed the BEs in every area, except for weight.

 

[Samatza]

I still run my Eden 550 but I'm looking for an Eden 1x12" cab, no luck at local stores so far.

I like the basic personality and the semi-parametric mids give it a lot of range.

 

[Bassmann1968]

Dan, I got to do a new picture, but it might take a while to put everything on one picture

 

[danbones]

i bought an E series 1x10” for practicing at home and i LOVE it. I’ve played a wide range of ampeg 4x10, 2x15, and 8x10 cabs, and none of them ever had this kind of richness to them. i would gladly own an Eden 410XST if i could find one at a decent price.

 

[npbassman]

I loved my Eden cabs when they were my main rig in the early 2000's but these days, my back would have none of that. With that said, they had some great tone and massive, clear bottom end that would shake the fillings out of your teeth. I was pushing it with a Chromeface Ashdown ABM 500.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Years ago I chose the D410XST for the power handling and flat frequency response which also goes lower than the XLT. I still think they’re the best cabs aside from the ridiculous weight. Used to drive them with a tube preamp and stereo Crown power amp. Still have the two 410s, but at almost 100 lb apiece plus probably 50-60 lbs for the rack case they only get used for special big noise occasions. Otherwise my Mesa D-800+ and Genzler Bass Array 12-3 for everything. Which for the last 7 months is pretty much nothing.

I hear you about the weight of their 410 cabs. When I decided on an Eden rigs, I opted for 2 210 cabs 4 two reasons, transport (weight), and gigs where I only needed one cab. The first one I bought was an XLT, second was an XST. Together, the mid hump of the XLT, and low end of the the XST blended IMO is best of both worlds.

I have a rack set up that is also about 60lbs or so. The power amp is an Eden 1250, preamp is a Navigator. If I ever get good buy on a suitable class D stereo power amp, I might swap out the lead sled.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

I still run my Eden 550 but I'm looking for an Eden 1x12" cab, no luck at local stores so far.

I like the basic personality and the semi-parametric mids give it a lot of range.

I’d like to get one of those D112XST cabs myself, but at a grand a piece they’re a little out of my price range.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Dan, I got to do a new picture, but it might take a while to put everything on one picture

I saved a copy of the one you posted years ago on a computer. Unfortunately, it crashed. I’d love to see a newer one. I hope all has been well.

 

[Bassmann1968]

All good Just for you

 

[dbsfgyd1]

All good Just for you

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So when your guitarists are cranking their stacks and will not turn down, use this pick to remind them this is possible.

thanks for posting the pic.

 

[Searay]

Like many other brands, they are Eden in name alone. I have a WT400 that I think is great, but the days are long gone. Is a Hiwatt really a Hiwatt anymore? Is a Mullard really a Mullard? or a Tung Sol? No, they are sold off brand names that have little or nothing to do with the original and in most cases aggressively seek to distance themselves from the seller of the brand.

 

[Bassmann1968]

Well, I've got a WTP Pre and got to say it's a great amp and more than just a offspring of the NAV.

 

[dbase]

All good Just for you

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I am duly impressed.

 

[baddarryl]

I rehearse through my drummer's WT 550 and this 1969 Flatback SVT. If it can fit in a room it goes with us! I don't care what it weighs!

 

[jmlee]

I've really enjoyed my Eden gear over the years. This little stack of a CXC112 (coaxial 12 with a WT-330 head in it) and the matching CX112 cab are great fun. I use the top unit for music theatre work. They're both stupidly heavy and very awkward to carry around. My old D115XLT was a *great* 15" cab that I've kicked myself for selling—and would like to have back in the fold. BTW, I'd second the value of the little WTDI pedal. I use it for doubling shows, running it into the effects return on my Acoustic Image Clarus SL head for electric bass while the upright goes into the main input. The pedal does a very respectable job of emulating that "Eden sound".

 

[dbsfgyd1]

+1 on WTDI. Great interface for not a lot of money.