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Is EDEN on the way out?
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Yeah man!View attachment 4047486 It’s like asking are Fender Super Reverbs or Vox AC15s on the way out. I just scored a free (FREE!) Eden traveller/tuner rack + 410/115XLT stack and it took about 1 minute of playing through it with my Player P to decide it’s worth the schlep over my Markbass 151 CMD for anything other than small gigs. The tone is ridiculous. It’s warm and clear and what good bass sounds like. I’ve been at so many gigs the last few years where I’ve thought - man, that bass sounds good... only to look over and see a 410XLT, regardless of what amp (mostly Eden WT series) on top.
I’ve really wondered how far new tech can actually improve what electric bass can sound like. Looking at all the tone shaping pedals and DIs on the market, I’m spoilt for choice and a bit put off by it. The Traveller 550 I’ve got sounds great at extremely low settings and I’m sold on the height of the full stack. If I got it as a result of EDEN being out of vogue because people don’t like the weight or whatever, good for me
My old bass teacher got me hooked on Eden amps and cabs when I was first starting out. Their older stuff was fantastic but weighed a ton. I ended up having a WT-800 with a 410XLT and 210T before I realized I seriously did not need that much power lol. I still like the older models but the newer stuff I'm not a fan of at all. I think the start of their downfall was selling the company to another if I remember correctly.
The blend of the XLT and XST must be nice. The 210s would be easier to carry for my aging back.
The lightweight equipment is so easy to move around I’m getting spoiled. But can’t bring myself to unload the heavy stuff. No comparison when it comes to the strong, clear lows...
Did you ever play through all of those at once? Tower of Power. Wall of Sound.
Hold on to that Traveller 400! Many folks feel that was their best sounding amp.
I was a fanboy too, gigged a Metro for years, with either a D112XLT or Genz Benz UB212T extension cabinet. My Metro is on the fritz again though.
@Rip Van Dan has some great Eden gear and also uses DNA cabinets, worth bringing him into this thread.
Not really
6 x D112XLT I used and a few times the D810RP+D410XLT+D210XST. More surface area then I ever need, but it sounds just awesome at "low" volumes.
Super! Would love to hear it.Not really
6 x D112XLT I used and a few times the D810RP+D410XLT+D210XST. More surface area then I ever need, but it sounds just awesome at "low" volumes.
Even at “low” volume the sound quality is so good. Sometimes 2 - D410XSTs seemed to be overkill for smaller venues but the pure, clear, low-frequency embrace was worth it.
Exactly.
I use this combination, when I play with a 45 piece symphonic wind orchestra.
I remember using it the first time that the horn players in front of me where a bit terrified, but were really happy with sound afterwards
I use this combination, when I play with a 45 piece symphonic wind orchestra.
I remember using it the first time that the horn players in front of me where a bit terrified, but were really happy with sound afterwards
Delightful!Exactly.
I use this combination, when I play with a 45 piece symphonic wind orchestra.
I remember using it the first time that the horn players in front of me where a bit terrified, but were really happy with sound afterwards
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That WT400 head is the warmest punchiest head I've ever had and I will never let it go. Too bad it weighs in at over 20#! I have the David Eden 410 XLT to go with it. Again, too bad that cab weighs 98#. I rarely leaves my practice room. For Old School equipment, I think that the David Eden rigs are hard to beat as well as hard to find. I couldn't lug that heavy stuff around anymore so I got the Markbass Tube 800 with the 212 cab and couldn't be happier with weight or tonal quality and punch.
John
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That WT400 head is the warmest punchiest head I've ever had and I will never let it go. Too bad it weighs in at over 20#! I have the David Eden 410 XLT to go with it. Again, too bad that cab weighs 98#. I rarely leaves my practice room. For Old School equipment, I think that the David Eden rigs are hard to beat as well as hard to find. I couldn't lug that heavy stuff around anymore so I got the Markbass Tube 800 with the 212 cab and couldn't be happier with weight or tonal quality and punch.
John
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I get it. Trust me, I’llbe 68 in just a few weeks, I really get it.
That said, I really don’t have an issue moving my gear (for now), not to mention, too cheap and stubborn to give it up. It’s not like I’m working one night stands 6 nights a week, but more like 20 gigs a year spaced out. I can still lift 70lbs comfortably (w/proper technique), and on the odd days when my back has the misery, there are plenty of hands to help. It seems like the older we get, the more people are willing to help.
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It's not going anywhere. I bought it new in 2001, but its had a pampered life. In the spring I replaced the filter caps (one was starting to bulge) and did a few mods to correct the known issues. I also added a Speakon connector and made a custom cable to connect both D112 cabinets
Not really
6 x D112XLT I used and a few times the D810RP+D410XLT+D210XST. More surface area then I ever need, but it sounds just awesome at "low" volumes.
+1 @ lower volumes. I rarely have mine cranked to the Max.
Ah, the golden years.
I haven't lifted my 98# babies in ~7 months, but all I have to do is get them into the car. The guys are happy to help on the other end.
My 2 bands are thinking we'll gear up for gigs in the spring, and hope the COVID numbers are reasonable by then.
Ah, the golden years.
I haven't lifted my 98# babies in ~7 months, but all I have to do is get them into the car. The guys are happy to help on the other end.
My 2 bands are thinking we'll gear up for gigs in the spring, and hope the COVID numbers are reasonable by then.
I hope to resume playing after the normal flu season clears. I do have 2 gigs booked for 2021 starting in May. The first is a theater gig dependent on social distancing requirements at that time. The other is an outdoor fund raiser for Down syndrome children support, which is a band favorite cause.
Best wishes on a better 2021 Jon.
That is all I'm really looking for as well... this is some crazy stuff going on.
This was the year I had really hoped to get back out playing with some other people. I took time 'off' with family/kids. That didnt happen, hopefully things turn around next year
The 'Eden' most think of is long, long gone, one more example (like Steinberger or Tobias after their purchase by Gibson) where a larger company bought out the original owner/designer to own the product line. This always seems crazy to buy the established products but kick to the curb the designer/owner/staff that built the brand to begin with, but this seems to be the normal course for this type of thing. Can be a great parachute for an overwhelmed owner, but often becomes a train wreck for later consumers. It CERTAINLY was for me.
The original sale torpedoed any good will they had (quality control dropped to East German / Russian levels, and that's being polite about it), and Marshall later bought the cold leftovers. The original iterations could be good, but just like original British Trace Eliott or original SWR, these are now old, vintage products with dwindling repair and parts trains. Now it's just a 'used to be' that the name sucks in for guys that don't know the back story. Good Luck.
I'm not sure how it happened, but to me the model of how to 'go out of business' seems to be Genz Benz: Bought/absorbed by FMIC, warranty or parts and service still available and overseen by our very own @agedhorse; would be interesting to see IF that process was written into the sale of GB to Fender, it seems to be an exceptional situation vs. others.
The original sale torpedoed any good will they had (quality control dropped to East German / Russian levels, and that's being polite about it), and Marshall later bought the cold leftovers. The original iterations could be good, but just like original British Trace Eliott or original SWR, these are now old, vintage products with dwindling repair and parts trains. Now it's just a 'used to be' that the name sucks in for guys that don't know the back story. Good Luck.
I'm not sure how it happened, but to me the model of how to 'go out of business' seems to be Genz Benz: Bought/absorbed by FMIC, warranty or parts and service still available and overseen by our very own @agedhorse; would be interesting to see IF that process was written into the sale of GB to Fender, it seems to be an exceptional situation vs. others.
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I have a WT400 plus, and a WT405. They both sound really good. My 400 though is on the fritz, and I need to get it worked on. I lucked into both of them.
