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Is EDEN on the way out?

#101
I had to dig out some photos from the store I used to work at. We had a fair amount of Eden gear on hand for a mom-and-pop shop, and this was around 2001. These were before and after pics of a renovation and moving the bass department to the other side of the store.
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I am using a TN210 cab as extension for an Ampeg combo, I got it because it was really cheap and soon after discontinued so I guess they were last units.
I had read about the brand and it's changes, so I wasn't expecting an awesome cab, and it isn't, lacks some definition and midrange for my taste, but for 211€ it's hard to beat and has awesome low end.
There is very little info at Marshall's site about this series, no info at all about the drivers or their specs; I might take it apart some day to peek inside.
For my needs it is great and it has wheels! :D

But seriously I think I don't own a real Eden cab, it's a very normal cab with the Eden brand stamped.
 
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#103
Rip Van Dan said:
Just as an FYI, the "made in China" Eden stuff is excellent. After David sold Eden to USM and moved on, USM decided to move manufacturing to Mundelein, IL. Most of Eden's techs did not make that move. Original stuff from there was great (perhaps existing stock?) and then a lot of defective stuff hit the stores and had to be repaired or replaced under warranty. Eden's Nemesis series of amps had been made in China ever since day 1 for that series and they were every bit as well made as the US ones as I saw with my Nemesis RS400. Of course, there are good and bad Chinese manufacturers and you usually have to have someone check regularly on site so they keep Quality Control in good shape. After a period of continuing terrible results from Mundelein, they decided to have the same factory that made their Nemesis amps manufacture the top-of-the-line amps too. All of their quality problems disappeared when the new product started arriving from China and they've had no troubles since.

Biggest problem since then was the increase in pricing from moving their cab manufacturing to the UK.
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Thanks for the info. I love my EC10 and when I'm ready to make a move to a gigging setup, I'll look into Eden again. For your information, the one I pased on was a WTX-264 priced at $300-$400 CDN, which came with mixed reviews. Since I don't have a matching cab, I passed. For the time being—and given the fact we're all stuck at home for a few more months—I think the HX Stomp makes more sense, especially when I'm getting so many different sounds out of it. If I ever do go with physical amps, I'll have a better idea of the tone I want, plus I can play for hours without disturbing my other half.
 
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#105
S-Bigbottom said:
This thread is proof of what I said about their current offerings not being what people want anymore.
There are some Great OLD EDEN AMPS in this thread (I had some in the past also) but there are no pics of the WTP line of amps or Terra Nova Cabs.

Just their old glory days gear.
Yes Dan, I saw your Nova amp.

Again, great, but this is a discussion of their current line of gear. Of the post that are not of Old Eden they are people saying they switched to better gear and will not look back to Eden, myself included.
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Rip Van Dan said:
I paid more than that for its little brother the TN-226 - used! I did get the shoulder bag included but that's a really good price, the amp sounds great, and the 500-watt version is much more versatile than my 225-watt tn226. That TN501 sells for $649 in the US.
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The deal is tempting. I guess they are making room for something new? But there's nothing wrong with my old wt300. Reliable as ever. I do use a tiny Bam200 for rehearsals and as a slave for my ampeg pf 20 t. In theory a tn501 would be the perfect combination of the size, weight, power and sound of both amps ( the wt and the Bam) The size is even perfect for under the Ampeg. But I'm hesitant to let the wt go. It has been one of the most constant factors in my life for a very long time.
 
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Not sure if this is the right thread to jump in with this, but I appreciate the Eden nostalgia that's been popping up.

I was a big fan of the Eden gear in the mid-late 90's. Most often played through it when sharing backline with headlining bands. In the mid-2000's I bought the all tube VT-300 which I loved but it had a ghost in the machine that was related to the footswitch jack interfering with the amp standby. None of the techs I used could figure it out and we couldn't get a square answer from Eden nor Koch amps (due to the collaboration.) Without the footswitch plugged in, it worked great.

Fast-forward to today - I found and purchased a '99 WT-400 Traveler Plus in excellent condition. The handwriting on the back of amp (serial, wattage, etc) even looks fairly new. My question is that given it's a 21 year old amp is there any sort of recommended maintenance I should be aware of? I saw the speakon jack mod...any other mods that were helpful in optimizing this amp?
 
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Following this one. Thanks.

BKBroiler said:
Not sure if this is the right thread to jump in with this, but I appreciate the Eden nostalgia that's been popping up.

I was a big fan of the Eden gear in the mid-late 90's. Most often played through it when sharing backline with headlining bands. In the mid-2000's I bought the all tube VT-300 which I loved but it had a ghost in the machine that was related to the footswitch jack interfering with the amp standby. None of the techs I used could figure it out and we couldn't get a square answer from Eden nor Koch amps (due to the collaboration.) Without the footswitch plugged in, it worked great.

Fast-forward to today - I found and purchased a '99 WT-400 Traveler Plus in excellent condition. The handwriting on the back of amp (serial, wattage, etc) even looks fairly new. My question is that given it's a 21 year old amp is there any sort of recommended maintenance I should be aware of? I saw the speakon jack mod...any other mods that were helpful in optimizing this amp?
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Matthijs said:
The deal is tempting. I guess they are making room for something new? But there's nothing wrong with my old wt300. Reliable as ever. I do use a tiny Bam200 for rehearsals and as a slave for my ampeg pf 20 t. In theory a tn501 would be the perfect combination of the size, weight, power and sound of both amps ( the wt and the Bam) The size is even perfect for under the Ampeg. But I'm hesitant to let the wt go. It has been one of the most constant factors in my life for a very long time.
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No reason you can't keep your WT300...I'm just sayin';)
 
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I've told my story before in other Eden threads......I took a trip to Seattle in 93 with my band after graduating high school. We went to the old Bass NW store. They had all the big players heads and 4X10 cabs lined up in a row. I grabbed a sweet Ken Smith bass and worked down the line. When it was all said and done we all agreed the Eden sounded the best of the bunch. Fast forward and one of my local stores in KC started carrying Eden. I ponied up the cash and bought a WT-500. A little bit later I got the D410T cab and hauled that rig all over the country in the mid 90's. It just kept going week in and week out.....it even survived our van and trailer rolling while crossing South Dakota. I rocked the Eden stuff for a long time until most of it ended up getting stolen. That was when Eden seemed to be going through a dark period with poor QC and CS too. I moved on but Eden will always have a special place for me.

There is really nothing about the Marshall lineup that intrigues me.

I just ended a several year stint using the DNA gear. I had the 1350 head and the 2X10 cab. That cab really moved a lot of air and sounded great. The amp was loud and sounded great too. I moved on to Genzler though.....I've always been a 4X10 guy and just had no desire to haul the DNA 4X10 cab around. I also liked the feature set of the Magellan head. I'm not a pedal guy and liked the ability to dial in some distortion. All that said, I could have stuck with my DNA rig and been happy.....but hey, we're bass players and GAS happens!!
 
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#118
Rip Van Dan said:
No reason you can't keep your WT300...I'm just sayin';)
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Just the advice I need
BKBroiler said:
Not sure if this is the right thread to jump in with this, but I appreciate the Eden nostalgia that's been popping up.

I was a big fan of the Eden gear in the mid-late 90's. Most often played through it when sharing backline with headlining bands. In the mid-2000's I bought the all tube VT-300 which I loved but it had a ghost in the machine that was related to the footswitch jack interfering with the amp standby. None of the techs I used could figure it out and we couldn't get a square answer from Eden nor Koch amps (due to the collaboration.) Without the footswitch plugged in, it worked great.

Fast-forward to today - I found and purchased a '99 WT-400 Traveler Plus in excellent condition. The handwriting on the back of amp (serial, wattage, etc) even looks fairly new. My question is that given it's a 21 year old amp is there any sort of recommended maintenance I should be aware of? I saw the speakon jack mod...any other mods that were helpful in optimizing this amp?
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You should check the two resistors dividing the input voltage to the pre amp. They tend to overheat if the amp was kept idling for long periods. If everything is black around them it pays to replace them with higher spec resistors or improve cooling. It is one of the few causes for these amps to fail over time.
 
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Matthijs said:
Just the advice I need

You should check the two resistors dividing the input voltage to the pre amp. They tend to overheat if the amp was kept idling for long periods. If everything is black around them it pays to replace them with higher spec resistors or improve cooling. It is one of the few causes for these amps to fail over time.
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I have a WT-300 (called "the Traveller" made in 1994. Fan noise was a big problem, perhaps because the fan was old, so I replaced the fan and cut out the area where the previous vent slots were. After installing a safety cage, the amp was quiet as a mouse and ran considerably cooler. The old vent slots were inadequate.
 
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