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Is fretless over-rated?

Look guys, if you don't have the patience or attention span it takes to play fretless, fine. That is why God made bass players, and the rest of us he made musicians. Just don't give me the cop-out that it's just for soft, jazz, or ballads. I have been playing very agressive progressive heavy music, fretless only, for over ten years. There isn't a sound I can't get out of my bass, as well as sounds you will never get out of a fretted bass.

You don't want a soft sound, don't get a bass with a soft fretboard like rosewood. I have a carbon fiber neck and fretboard on my Bogart 5, no maint. I can make nice soft sounds, or I can crank up the 35hz buzz saw and rip your freaking manhood off. No effects, no boost switch, I just change my attack, maybe my hand position. The right instrument, in the right hands, and years of practice. I don't get lost in the mix, unless "I" decide to let it happen.

Miss a note flat or sharp a little? Vibrato and slide back into the proper note. Don't like the heavy mwaw sound? Fine, loosten your grip on the string a little, it buffers the mwaw quite a bit. Want a more pronounced mwaw? press the string in a little harder and slide to the note.

I know this will get in the way of posing for the girls, and you might have to buy better equipment so that you can hear youself. I know the better equipment, and the time you have to spend to learn fretless will cut down on the available party time/ little groupie hook ups. And actually having some talent and pride in your skills might make you want to leave your current band, in search of others of your skill level and drive.
I know this will mean missing out on a big money recording contract, and world tour. We all know the last thing the public, and record companies want is a band with true talent and skill.

But just give being a musician a try, instead of just a bass player. Try a fretless, learn to express yourself.

KJN
The difference between a fretted player and a fretless player? The fretless players can "hear" that he is out of tune, and correct it with his fingers, not a tuner and tuning peg.
 
Look guys, if you don't have the patience or attention span it takes to play fretless, fine. That is why God made bass players, and the rest of us he made musicians. Just don't give me the cop-out that it's just for soft, jazz, or ballads. I have been playing very agressive progressive heavy music, fretless only, for over ten years. There isn't a sound I can't get out of my bass, as well as sounds you will never get out of a fretted bass.

You don't want a soft sound, don't get a bass with a soft fretboard like rosewood. I have a carbon fiber neck and fretboard on my Bogart 5, no maint. I can make nice soft sounds, or I can crank up the 35hz buzz saw and rip your freaking manhood off. No effects, no boost switch, I just change my attack, maybe my hand position. The right instrument, in the right hands, and years of practice. I don't get lost in the mix, unless "I" decide to let it happen.

Miss a note flat or sharp a little? Vibrato and slide back into the proper note. Don't like the heavy mwaw sound? Fine, loosten your grip on the string a little, it buffers the mwaw quite a bit. Want a more pronounced mwaw? press the string in a little harder and slide to the note.

I know this will get in the way of posing for the girls, and you might have to buy better equipment so that you can hear youself. I know the better equipment, and the time you have to spend to learn fretless will cut down on the available party time/ little groupie hook ups. And actually having some talent and pride in your skills might make you want to leave your current band, in search of others of your skill level and drive.
I know this will mean missing out on a big money recording contract, and world tour. We all know the last thing the public, and record companies want is a band with true talent and skill.

But just give being a musician a try, instead of just a bass player. Try a fretless, learn to express yourself.

KJN
The difference between a fretted player and a fretless player? The fretless players can "hear" that he is out of tune, and correct it with his fingers, not a tuner and tuning peg.

Ha. Wow.
 
Look guys, if you don't have the patience or attention span it takes to play fretless, fine. That is why God made bass players, and the rest of us he made musicians. Just don't give me the cop-out that it's just for soft, jazz, or ballads. I have been playing very agressive progressive heavy music, fretless only, for over ten years. There isn't a sound I can't get out of my bass, as well as sounds you will never get out of a fretted bass.

Wow. Out from one brickwall extreme and slamming right into the other. If people haven't heard of fretless playing in aggressive genres (q.v. Cynic and Aghora), it's their own lack of research. If they have heard it and decided they didn't like it, it's their own taste.

But sarcasm or not, this post was just... tactless. :rolleyes: As for the sounds you can get out of your bass, clever FX/EQ and playing style can bring a fretless towards the fretted, and a fretted towards the fretless, but it can only do so much. They're two separate worlds.

Ain't no "better" in the world of bass - just "I made this combo work for that kind of song".

FWIW: I don't play fretless. I don't know if I'll ever be good at it, but damned if I won't buy one eventually, tackle it and see what falls out.
 
Four men are sitting in church during a silent meditation.

One says "oh no, I left the stove on at home".
The second says "you idiot! This is the silent meditation! You're not supposed to talk!"
The third says to the second "you're a bigger idiot! You talked telling him not to talk!!"
The fourth says "I alone haven't broken the silence..."

And that's all I have to say on this topic.
 
But just give being a musician a try, instead of just a bass player. Try a fretless, learn to express yourself.
So you're not a musician if you play exclusively fretted?

All those poor piano, brass (except trombone), wind instrument, and percussion (except timpani) players. Stuck just being players instead of musicians because their instruments have set notes. :rolleyes:

Yep, definitely overrated, at least by ol' Kevin here.
 
Wow. Out from one brickwall extreme and slamming right into the other. If people haven't heard of fretless playing in aggressive genres (q.v. Cynic and Aghora), it's their own lack of research. If they have heard it and decided they didn't like it, it's their own taste.

But sarcasm or not, this post was just... tactless. :rolleyes: As for the sounds you can get out of your bass, clever FX/EQ and playing style can bring a fretless towards the fretted, and a fretted towards the fretless, but it can only do so much. They're two separate worlds.

Ain't no "better" in the world of bass - just "I made this combo work for that kind of song".

FWIW: I don't play fretless. I don't know if I'll ever be good at it, but damned if I won't buy one eventually, tackle it and see what falls out.

Look, Call it tough love.
Yeah, it is a little kick in the "mental" teeth to have someone call, or suggest that maybe my muse/ medium is "overrated". Yeah, that hurt a little bit, lol. I won't lie to you, ouch!

He started the fire, I just happend by with the gasoline.

A little shot across the bow is sometimes needed to get the attention of someone sailing on my sea of cheese. Yeah, the shot may have grazed the bow, but it got attention.

Have to say I am tired of the idea that fretless is for soft music, ballads, etc... And wanted to get the point across that it is what you decide to make it. And it is by far the most expressive of the bass instruments, be it heavy or soft.

The misconception about fretless, is like the rock bass misconception. You can do alot more than stand there, posing, riding the root note, for lack of anything better to do. And I tire of both misconceptions.

Some folks try the fretless, get the wrong instrument, setup by the wrong person, running through the wrong amp, and get the wrong idea. It is a write-off from the start, and they never get a chance to experience the passion that fretless is to some of us in this community.

And yes I do mean passion, hopefully that came through in my earlier post. The ability to form your own notes,when , how and where you decide. As opposed to where leo fender, or buzz fehton decided it should be.

Passionate? Yes. Over the top? Maybe. Taking any of it back? Not on your life!
 
Wow Kevin,
Take it easy. :)

Actually I agree with you, on most parts. (I play mainly, almost exclusive fretless. In the heavier genres of music.)

Not everyone understands other peoples choices.

The OP was just a bit naive. And knows not much of fretless yet. (I think he admits that in the first post.)

So why not give him more constructive advice. Give him some insights on the issue.
Don't feel so offended. (It's allright to feel passionate. ;))

All I try to say is: lighten up. :)
 
How is it tacktless? It's just equal in the opposite direction. Doesn't make either right or wrong, but I find it funny that it's ok for some arguments but not the opposite. For example, how many threads can openly bash boutique basses, but bashing inexpensive basses is somehow evil?

Agreed, and thanks for the back up. As much whinning, moaning, groaning, inuendo, as I have seen. And somehow "I" am tactless? Think "I" hit a couple of nerves.
 
Wow Kevin,
Take it easy. :)

Actually I agree with you, on most parts. (I play mainly, almost exclusive fretless. In the heavier genres of music.)

Not everyone understands other peoples choices.

The OP was just a bit naive. And knows not much of fretless yet. (I think he admits that in the first post.)

So why not give him more constructive advice. Give him some insights on the issue.
Don't feel so offended. (It's allright to feel passionate. ;))

All I try to say is: lighten up. :)

Look, the first couple of sentences were slams at fretless by suggestion. He knew he was starting a fire, and said so. Excuse me for giving him what he wanted. Don't cry when the arsonist gets his butt burned, naive or not.

I will feel the way I wish, unfortunatly tone of voice and mannerism doesn't project well for me through the written word. I speak matter of fact, yes with passion, not with (much) malice. Don't take this as anger on my part, I don't know anyone here well enough to be angered by them.