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Is it possible to teach "Groove"?

Is it possible to teach "Groove"?

  • No, groove is unteachable and undefinable, you either have it or you don't.

    Votes: 43 33.1%
  • Yes, groove can be usefully defined, analyzed and communicated constructively.

    Votes: 87 66.9%

  • Total voters
    130
Of course it's possible to teach "Groove". Bootsie's got a video on it. ;>)
...which I could watch a million times and still have none of... ...of course it can be taught, some folks may not be capable of learning it regardless of the teacher (in my experience at least). I mean, I suck less than I once did, but my groove powers are still mucho weak sauce...
 
I am also in the school of Yes.

contrary to what I see as a lot of people (on this form anyhow) that seem to think it is some innate ability. and it cannot be taught, or explained. To me this discredits my hard work and I essentially I view it as a cop out..(because they cannot explain it, or know someone who they base this claim off of. 'John/Jane Doe cant groove, so s/he cant be taught, and will never learn it' kind of thinking..I digress)

I say it is teachable, because I learned it. and I did not create it from thin air. there is no "magic wand of Groove" that was waived at me. I did not pick up a Bass and say "Ima groove this thing" and proceed to lay down some serious Funk/Groove sessions. as I said in a thread of a similar nature, my folks are not musical and do not play instruments, or sing well for that matter. But I listen to a S***-ton of music, and many different styles as well.

I worked for it. It was fun, so that always helps. but I put in the work I felt is necessary for the foundation. and when I played in the cover band I grew as a Bassist even though I didn't really understand music. that is the great part of music is a lot of ways. one can sound incredible and not really know much about music in general aside from having the ability to time out notes on the fret board in rhythm. good enough to emulate music.

it takes time to internalize, so yes I had to put the work in. but my "Teachers" were not in a class lecturing me on how to 'groove'. my "Teachers" were tons of Columbia House and BMG compact disks and mix tapes/disks that I collected over the years.

the people/groups/bands/styles of music one is influenced by, indirectly, are the Teachers of Groove, at least that is how I see it based off of my experience with music.
 
My prediction: most of the people in this thread will vote "yes", but the next time people with timing problems come up, the consensus will be "no".

FWIW, I vote yes because I believe that groove as a part of music as an acoustic and thus physical phenomenon can be scientifically dissected and, by extension, taught.
 
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  1. No, groove is unteachable and undefinable, you either have it or you don't.
  2. Yes, groove can be usefully defined, analyzed and communicated constructively.
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I couldn't 100% choose either option but I'm leaning well towards answer 2. I think that while groove may not always be easily defined, described or analyzed it is teachable by way of example.
Essential to understanding groove in any kind of academic way is to develop a strong sense of meter and understanding of where the time is being played in relation to the center of the beat. This can definitely be taught.
 
I think Groove is the musical equivalent of athletic ability. Can a person who isn't a natural athlete become skilled enough to succeed at it? Yes. Look at Terry O'Reilly of the Boston Bruins. He was by no means as talented as some of his teammates, but through hard work, dedication and determination he went on to captain the team and have his number retired. Not bad for a guy who many wrote off early on as a career minor leaguer. Now, if someone with mega talent (like a Bobby Orr) was a slacker and a wastrel, would he attain the same level as O'Reilly? Who knows? Bobby Orr rewrote the game of hockey by utilizing his immense talent to its fullest. Groove would be like that. Can you teach it? You can X and O it on the screen, but the student either grasps it or not depending on their innate talent. A quick explanation of rudimentary syncopation may be enough for some, for others it'd be like trying to teach your parakeet calculus. So my answer would be: "Not so much taught as cultivated" which wasn't a voting option.
 
There is a little zen involved in everything one tries to learn. You still have to know the technical stuff and put in the work though. I think you earn the groove through putting in the work. One day, the lightbulb will just click on. It was like that when I was a kid, learning to fly. The lightbulb is slowly coming on when I'm playing the drums. I'm a long ways away from it on the bass. But I'm putting in the work, and I'm confidant it will click. :)
 
I don't know if groove can be taught but it can be experienced. Once experienced, it's easier to understand. It's like being in Love, you know it when you feel it. It's like learning to dance. For most of us if we learn to dance with someone who knows how to dance and is patient we can learn to dance too. I think learning to dance helps with learning to groove.
 
You can teach concepts like syncopation, stretching time, etc. and those are useful things to learn about.

But there are people out there who can't consistently clap their hands to a beat.

So I guess I would say that if a person has the basic tools, they can learn how to improve their ability to groove. But the basic tools are difficult to give someone who doesn't already have them. And it's really, really hard to teach a feeling... which is why it's so hard to put "groove" into words... it's not just a collection of techniques, it's a feeling.
 
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