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is live music dead

Is live music dead or just damaged in the short run

and if you make a CD it will be bootlegged and downloaded so we won't make much money selling recordings.

So what is the future of live music?

I have a professional job so for me music is a hobby and I find it entertaining to play good music with good musicians.

I believe the biggest issue with live music is we have been supplanted by streaming music, where people can hear songs they want to hear played the way the want to hear it. As bassists, we’ve been supplanted by computer generated parts, or musically not needed.

From a historically perspective , over the last 100 years, popular music was music to dance to. Live music was a part of a social event, an environment to meet or celebrate, and could be enjoyed by a broad age group. The band/music was a secondary consideration as long as they were reasonably in tune, started and stopped together, and the right songs were played.

Where things went off the rails is when the band/music became the main focus of attention. This required some sort of musical acumen of the paying audience , or repeated exposure for people to fully appreciate the “art”, or some distraction, ie, multiple dancers on stage engaged in high energy aerobics, pyrotechnics, and or lighting. With the closing of clubs, bars due to enforcement of DUI laws, as well shrinking radio play lists, it is really hard to get the exposure you need to promote and develop your musical brand.

Going forward, our opportunity as players is that you’d better get your arms around the fact that nobody owes you a blessed nickel because you can play an instrument. If you expect to be paid, you better be playing something that somebody is will to pay to hear.
 
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All just my opinion, of course:

Is live music dead or just damaged in the short run

Yes and No...

Yes - in the fact that live music iconography doesnt have the same relevance for younger generations than older ones. Live Music was my Generation's Social Media

No - in the fact that its a paradigm shift: Live Music the way it has been done the past several decades (i.e. guitar-driven band combos) is what is changing, not live music itself...The younger generations have no problem paying $$ to go see a guy onstage singing/rapping and his buddy with a laptop

and if you make a CD it will be bootlegged and downloaded so we won't make much money selling recordings.

With the exception of vinyl (only because it is currently trendy) and CD/Record collectors, the average listening public in the USA doesnt care a whole bunch for physical product - for them, CDs are yesterday...Physical product (CDs and whatnot) still get put out because its the artists preference: they like having a physical representation of their music in their hands, seeing their name on it gives them a sense of immortality...Nobody else cares

So what is the future of live music?

As stated above, it will still be around -- it will just smell different than what you are used to

I have a professional job so for me music is a hobby and I find it entertaining to play good music with good musicians.

Back when I was twelve, getting into Rush and Black Sabbath, I could imagine a Trombone player in a Swing Big Band saying the same thing, having the same questions above.....Modern Rock/Pop-umbrella music had too big of a historical impact to just go away entirely, but it is certainly becoming a niche market
 
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live streaming?

maybe some kind of subscription service or low-priced pay per view using credits on a platform full of streaming live shows. bands could do requests, have someone to interact with viewers in chat. and a large platform could have famous bands to pull in lots of people. then - imagine this - famous band charges $5 to watch their live show, but the site sells pay per view credit packages, the lowest of which would cost $10. that means people would have credits left over to pay for another live show, and they may browse to find new bands. and they could also pay something to save the live shows they want to download or stream forever.

if a subscription service, maybe $25 per month for a limited number of minutes (300?) with the option to buy more minutes at a discount if they run out? seems a little high, but the prices/minutes could be figured out. how the splits would work with the bands - get a flat fee per view and a small percentage for subscribers referred?

sure, lots of people won't pay for content, but despite all the pirated videos and TV shows, people still subscribe to netflix, hulu and disney plus.
 
I think you underestimate the human spirit. When people are finally given the all clear there's likely to be a hell of a party and every band in town will be out in front of an audience now sick of screens. IMHO.

Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 :thumbsup:

And to answer the OP's question: no, live music isn't dead. It's just taking a nap during the C virus episode. In the big picture, this is just a brief blip. :thumbsup:

I don't see live music *ever* going away. Yes, I said "ever." Why? Have you ever watched a major sporting event on TV? Have you ever attended a major sporting event in person? No comparison. The experience between those two are entirely different. Ever watch a concert on Youtube? Ever go to a concert and watch it in person? No comparison. The experience between those two are entirely different. Anyone is welcome to an opinion, but I think it is absolute nonsense to think that all live music will go away and we will all just watch it on a screen from now on. No thank you!!! TrevorG nailed it in his comment above in his first sentence. It's all about the human spirit.

Once this C virus thing blows over, the pent-up desire to get out and party will be overwhelming. Restaurants and clubs (and other social gathering events) will be jam packed, and live music will be part of the action! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
It's not dead, but it certainly has changed. I've played music since 1968, first in revival circuits, then in typical low pay bar bands, then a couple of years of steady , half decent paying road work. I then learned to carve out a niche staying local and doing better paying bar and private party gigs.

These days, surprisingly, I'm making good money playing strictly casinos. Or at least I WAS, until the shutdown. The music is not challenging, very formulaic dance/pop/Ford F150 stuff, but I'm lucky enough to hire good players that don't carry DDD baggage, drugs drink drama. We have a good time playing and everyone makes above average pay for a band in Oklahoma. Live music isn't dead, you just have to look at it from different angles to find a way to make it work for you and your situation.

I miss the days of packed A clubs, 300-500 seat rock bars which were ALWAYS a party. And I miss pulling an original or two out to try on those crowds. But I'm not having to miss the joy of playing music for people . Even if the crowd is really only there to gamble and the musics really only window dressing . And for that, I am thankful.
 
This is the problem. Yes, it's gratifying to write and perform your own music, but how gratifying is it really when your audience is practically nonexistent? I play music, in part, because I want others to hear it, not just the same 20 friends and family who show up only because they actually want to "be supportive," not because they appreciate the music. That's the reality on the ground for a lot of originals bands, and I say that as someone who plays originals pretty often (see link in sig).

Those little hole in the wall venues that support original music are the least likely to survive this shut down. That's a sad thing, but the reality as I see it is that if you aren't actually entertaining people to the point at which strangers might want to come and see you more than once, you probably aren't going to have a room to play in when this is all said and done.
Well back in my day...hold on...I dont like the looks of those teenagers out front...there were tons of places to play originals. I dont remember anywhere at that time (late 80s to mid 90s) where there were covers-only bands playing. It was more normal to play originals, and I did. I wrote all the music for my band at the time, so I get how gratifying it can be because it was mostly MY stuff. The goal then was to get signed. These days I want to play, and play well, in a great band to a packed place. I struggled with playing songs I generally wouldnt listen to, but there isnt much alternative. Its not my main source of income, its a serious hobby so I dont stress myself too much over it. Just want to get back to as close to normal as we can and get back out there.
 
I don't know when it will happen, but my stinky little bar band will eventually start playing in front of live audiences again. Why am I so confident? Because we're getting a ton of support from our fan base on FB. A lotta people really, really want to get out of the house and party with us. Again: The unanswerable question is "When?" I don't know, and nobody else really knows, either.

I'm more worried about some of the venues we play. Of the nine joints we circulate through, seven of them serve food, and they're promoting take-out as hard as they can (this now includes selling alcoholic drinks, which is a freakin' miracle). Another one was already on the brink, and I don't think he's going to make it. The ninth one is a tossup--it is a bowling alley with a bar attached. It's part of a chain, so there's some money behind it, but I don't really have an idea of where they'll be when the smoke clears, so to speak.

One last thought on covers/originals: To each his own. I like to say that Redhead is in the social connection business; I think there will always be demand for that! But it is also why right now we are out of business.
 
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Well back in my day...hold on...I dont like the looks of those teenagers out front...there were tons of places to play originals. I dont remember anywhere at that time (late 80s to mid 90s) where there were covers-only bands playing. It was more normal to play originals, and I did. I wrote all the music for my band at the time, so I get how gratifying it can be because it was mostly MY stuff. The goal then was to get signed. These days I want to play, and play well, in a great band to a packed place. I struggled with playing songs I generally wouldnt listen to, but there isnt much alternative. Its not my main source of income, its a serious hobby so I dont stress myself too much over it. Just want to get back to as close to normal as we can and get back out there.
Yes, a lot has changed since then. Not necessarily for the good for creatives. I recorded two CDs of original music in the 90's and we sold records and had decent crowds, for the most part. Still selling copies here and there. By the late 90's we were mostly soured on big labels and bad contracts and it was becoming possible to produce and distribute your own music, so getting signed was no longer a goal (disclaimer: we had a band member who had a following already so promotion wasn't as big an issue for us). It was doable. I guess to an extent, if you're lucky enough to be in that sort of situation, it still is. But I think for most of the originals bands out there it's pretty hard.

The main band I'm currently in writes originals but we have three solid sets that involve lots of covers. We don't play the usual bar band stuff, though we do play some of that. We get a great reception when we go to places that have a built-in crowd and were just really beginning to work on developing a following after three years of hammering out quality issues that made promotion difficult. We've tried it both ways. The bigger crowds are more fun, there's a little bit of a paycheck, and we're still playing quality music. Gotta do it for fun these days.
 
My observations in the Denver scene:
  • Cover bands can work consistently, but the standards are very high. Tier 1 clubs want you to have a light show, solid stage presentation and a constantly changing set of songs. Maybe there are 15 or 20 Tier 1 clubs.
  • There are dozens of non-Tier 1 clubs where cover bands who don't make the Tier 1 cut can play. Pay is $50/person or less.
  • In general, cover bands have to be human jukeboxes. Note for note covers, songs everyone knows.
  • Weddings and corporate events are there, though to stay busy you must integrate with the event planning network here, and few groups have the chops to do that well.
  • Original bands are playing to their wives, girlfriends, and the bar staff 75% of the time and for no money or a loss once you figure cost.
  • Occasionally an original band breaks out of this town, but somehow it's a band who was not necessarily hot here before they broke (e.g. Nathaniel Rateliff, The Fray, One Republic - nobody knew about any of these guys before they were already national).
  • There used to be a few really good local originals acts who worked a lot and had a good following. Opie Gone Bad comes to mind. Not sure anyone has replaced those bands in the current scene.
Any other Denver guys agree/disagree? @electracoyote @fivestringgecko?

How does this compare to other towns?
 
This pandemic will have far,far less to do with the "death" of live music
than the rise of the DJ has.
Some of our most reliable gigs such as weddings, corporate parties, etc, had
already gave way to the low cost, low hassle ability to hire 1 guy and his
DJ setup. People don't go out dancing anymore, and when they do, more often than not, it's " Canned music ".
This was already true before Corona.
But on a bright note, I think this comes and goes. I recently read that John Philip Sousa HATED the grammaphone. He didn't even allow the Marine band to be recorded until late in his career because he feared it would keep young people from learning to play their own music, and crowds from attending concerts. I'm sure the advent of the jukebox did the same.
It's a brave new world,.....so ....be brave!:bassist::thumbsup:
 
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Live music has been dead for me for years if not decades. With the exception of classical music in small, appropriate rooms, most of what I experienced was sonic mush in less than pleasant sitting or standing conditions. I find no value in experiencing things together with others.
 
Until this C virus thing blows over, shelter-in-place is the order of the day. Here is an instructional GIF from El Duderino on the proper way to shelter-in-place........

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Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig +1 :thumbsup:

And to answer the OP's question: no, live music isn't dead. It's just taking a nap during the C virus episode. In the big picture, this is just a brief blip. :thumbsup:

I don't see live music *ever* going away. Yes, I said "ever." Why? Have you ever watched a major sporting event on TV? Have you ever attended a major sporting event in person? No comparison. The experience between those two are entirely different. Ever watch a concert on Youtube? Ever go to a concert and watch it in person? No comparison. The experience between those two are entirely different. Anyone is welcome to an opinion, but I think it is absolute nonsense to think that all live music will go away and we will all just watch it on a screen from now on. No thank you!!! TrevorG nailed it in his comment above in his first sentence. It's all about the human spirit.

Once this C virus thing blows over, the pent-up desire to get out and party will be overwhelming. Restaurants and clubs (and other social gathering events) will be jam packed, and live music will be part of the action! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I hope you're right. And I agree. No album ever lived up to the real deal in concert.

I have a huge TV, a great surround sound system, and fantastic speakers. But ESPN doesn't even get CLOSE to taking in a ballgame between the Red Sox and Yankees at Fenway Park.... or even a local college game live at the stadium.
 

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