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Is this a class D amp?

Now that the heavyweights have posted in this thread, I need to up my game! :roflmao:

PS: Class-D is analog, there is no amplifier that is not analog.

At the end of the day, all circuits are analog.
"Digital" is just a simplification that treats an analog signal as being rounded up to 1 or down to 0 :cool:

Digital engineers found this out in the early 1990s, once microprocessors got fast.
In the 1980s, with CPUs running at 1-2 MHz, all anyone had to worry about was logic and timing diagrams.
But as speeds crept higher and higher, to 10-20 MHz and beyond, analog behaviors started to spoil the party, and analog issues like PCB trace length and line termination became important.
There was very much a generation gap between the old-school digital engineers ("What do you mean, the data bus traces all have to be the same length and within 10cm of the CPU?"), and the newer engineers who went to school recently enough to learn about these issues and design with them in mind.

All that said, micguy's explanation of Class D is correct.
Here's a graph, to help visualize.
Blue is the input signal.
Black is a very high-frequency triangle wave (1MHz or greater) generated by the amplifier.
Orange is the output.
Instead of trying to amplify the input signal proportionally, as in a Class A/B/AB amplifier, the Class D amplifier simply compares the input signal with the very high frequency triangle wave it generates.
If the blue input signal is HIGHER than the triangle wave, the output switches on. If the blue input signal is LOWER, the output switches off.

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Then, the orange wave goes through a low-pass filter that strips out all the high-frequency components of the resulting pulse wave at the output...
...which leaves us with something that looks nearly exactly like the input signal, but at much higher power.

Why do things this way?
(caution to @agedhorse : layman's simplification incoming! Don't worry, I post a real reference at the end.)
It turns out that running a transistor flat out is far more efficient than running it in the middle of its range. A Class D output stage is always being run flat out: it's either on or off, no matter how quiet or loud the signal being amplified.
This advantage grows even larger when the amp isn't run flat out, as you can see from the efficiency graph below. (Note logarithmic scale...and remember, an ideal class D amplifier is nearly 100% efficient at all volumes, and real-world Class AB amplifiers are less efficient than the ideal. This graph compares ideal Class B to real-world class D.)

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Why is efficiency important?

Well, what happens to power that isn't used to move the speaker cone?
It turns into heat...which requires big, heavy heatsinks and fans to dissipate so it doesn't burn up the output transistors.
This is why Class D amplifiers can be so much smaller and lighter than the older generation of Class AB amplifiers: being substantially more efficient, they don't have to dump nearly as much waste heat.

For the technically inclined, here's the real, non-simplified explanation: "This [switching] waveform is benign for power dissipation, because the output transistors have zero current when not switching, and have low VDS when they are conducting current, thus giving smaller IDS × VDS."
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Bonus observations!

1. The theoretically inclined might notice that a switching power supply can be thought of as a Class D amplifier whose job is to "amplify" a constant voltage in the face of varying load, rather than amplifying a varying input signal.
2. Vacuum tubes are much larger than transistors, and have many times the surface area: thus, they are able to act as their own heatsink. But, as we all know, it's still quite possible to burn them up!
 
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I have a MarkBass CMD 121P and it uses the Little Mark amp built into the box. I believe it is a class D, and for the amount of power it kicks out compared to its size, I'm inclined to agree. I know something about electronics but what sort of power supply (switching/non-switching or other) it uses is above my pay grade, and actually, I don't care...it is what it is. But what I have noticed is this amp is a bit picky about what it 'eats,' meaning the input voltage. If it's too low, say around 105-6VAC or less, the output just collapses and gets distorted and unusable. I've run into this issue at several venues here in Puerto Rico, where our electric system is somewhat less than ideal. If that happens, next time I play that venue I bring my Ampeg BA115, which is way less picky. Give proper voltage, the Mark kicks butt.
 
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Power amplifiers that comply with international safety standards are designed around the nominal line voltages that the product is certified for.

In the case of a 120V, this is +/-10% which would be 108V-132V. Outside this range, the voltage is considered “abnormal” and the amp must not present a danger in the event of failure. With older line frequency supplies, under-voltage was generally not too much of a problem but over-voltage was and amps failed regularly (and often spectacularly). On the other hand, with modern switchmode supplies and class D amps, there is more danger from under-voltage and by controlling the SMPS with protection circuits is both easier and more reliably protective. In many cases, this makes SMPS/class D more reliable in the long run.
 
This is a pedantic aside, but a "digital" system is not one that happens to swing between two states. At least as I learned it 40 years ago, the hallmark of digital systems is a feature called noise immunity, which guarantees that a signal always represents a specific state, or sequence of states. This is done by defining specific voltage and timing thresholds. Here is an "eye diagram" from a gigabit ethernet cable[0]:

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Look what a mess it is. Yet this is good enough to transmit information with perfect fidelity, because all of the nasty stuff happens outside of the timing thresholds. If you send an MP3 file across this cable, the file that is received on the other end will be an utterly perfect copy of the original, unless something bad happens like the cable gets struck by lightning.

This doesn't happen with a Class-D amplifier. If you feed the same input signal into two identical Class-D bass heads, the precise signals at the outputs of the two heads will be different. If you "chain" 10000 of these bass heads together, the output of the last one might barely resemble the input of the first one. Yet you can "chain" the transmission of an MP3 file 10000 times with no degradation.

There are other sources of error in digital systems, but you can perform a lot more digital operations on a signal than analog without an unacceptable loss of fidelity. You can also perform operations that are theoretically possible with analog circuits, but only with great complexity. These things are what make DSP more powerful and flexible than analog processing.

There have been attempts at Class-D amplifiers that contained digital processing within the feedback loop, but over the decades we've learned that fully analog Class-D is more practical and works just fine. One of the major hurdles is independent of how the feedback loop works, but has to do with managing the behavior of the output transistors to realize the efficiency gains that are possible, while avoiding a laundry list of weird failure modes.

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Hi,

I'm in the R&D team at Jad Freer Audio. The CODA is a class G power amp with a switching power supply, all circuit is proprietary. Specs are real. We are working on a full head with a tube preamp that will be released in the next months, and by "working" I mean that I currently gig with a proto.

Andrea
 
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Hi,

I'm in the R&D team at Jad Freer Audio. The CODA is a class G power amp with a switching power supply, all circuit is proprietary. Specs are real. We are working on a full head with a tube preamp that will be released in the next months, and by "working" I mean that I currently gig with a proto.

Andrea

Awesome. If you get a chance to share more info on the CAPO, I made a thread for that here :

Jad Freer Audio - CAPO multiple preamp
 
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If you look thorough the gallery on the webpage, there are several photos of amps there of various types. Mystery solved as Andrea Lo stated that it is a class G amp.

The website has some NICE looking stuff posted there. Amps, pedals, and cabs look like quality pieces. I would love to hear some of these amps and cabinets.

FWIW, I had some H+ equipment from Technics years ago and it was fantastic sounding! I only got rid of it when one channel died and it was not worth the repair.
 
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Thanks for checking out our page. Jad Freer is a very small, family owned business (3 people in the lab) and this is the first time we are getting this kind of international attention. Thanks to the overall feedback here I'm realizing some info on the web page might show too much marketing and too less information so I'll get it fixed. If anybody feels like asking more I'm here to help, I like gear talk.

Andrea
 
"Thanks to the high-performance proprietary switching power supply, massive dissipation and dynamic forced ventilation, the CODA is the lightest, most powerful and compact power amp in the world, despite being completely analogue; what results is a sonic presence never heard before, characterized by speed, impact and pressure, which emphasizes the definition of notes."

WOW! Great marketing right there. It's class D (switching power supply) and analogue, because that's what a class D amp is - analogue. Speed! impact! pressure! Maybe the guy writes for NASCAR.

It is a Class G actually
 
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Quick definition of class G and class H amplifiers:

"Class G & H
Another pair of designs engineered with an eye towards improved efficiency, technically speaking neither Class G nor Class H amplifiers are officially recognized. Instead, they are variations upon the theme of Class A/B, utilizing voltage rail switching and rail modulation respectively. In either case, under low demand conditions, the system utilizes a lower rail voltage than a comparably rated Class A/B amplifier, significantly reducing power consumption; as high power conditions arise, the system dynamically increases rail voltage (i.e. switches to the high voltage rail) to handle high amplitude transients."

They’ve been around since at least the mid 70s in a few home stereo amps and receivers. Not that common these days because class D is even more efficient and cheaper because of the off the shelf power modules.
 
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Saw this bass power amp:
Coda - Jad Freer Audio

And I wonder if it's a class D amp or not.

It says:
  • FULLY ANALOG transistor power amp that develops 350W @ 8Ohm / 700W @ 4Ohm / 1400W @ 2Ohm in just 3.3 Kg -> it seems it's not class D
  • Thanks to the high-performance proprietary switching power supply -> seems it is class D
  • The Coda is enriched by a “simple” class A solid-state preamp section -> not sure
Personally I have a class D amp and I love it, but that intrigues me. Seems to be written in order to make you believe it's not a class D but it has the power/weight ratio of a class D amp?
Digital means it works by making the analogue signal into 0s and 1s for processing. Some effects and wirelesses do that. The D in Class D does not stand for Digital. Those amplifiers work by making variable-length bursts of power, known as Pulse Width Modulation. They are more efficient than other classes.
 
It's pretty pointless to resume this thread one and a half year later.
When I started it, the product was just announced, and the webpage was not very clear, so I was curious.
Since then it has been clarified, both on the website and on this thread, so we all know it's class G, thanks a lot!

By the way I bought it in the meantime, and it sounds killer.
 
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