is this the reason?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by kLumick, Nov 16, 2005.

  1. kLumick

    kLumick Guest

    Apr 4, 2004
    over the summer i bought an eden wt-330 head and aguilar gs-212 cabinet. the cabinet was rated at 8 ohms, the wt-330 pushes around 280 watts at 4 ohms, so i'm wonder what it would be at 8 ohms? 140 watts? the amp is also clipping with the gain on around 9 o'clock and master around 2 o'clock, i dont think i'm overdriving it at all. i play a fender american standard pj with la bella flats and a pick. my eg is pretty flat, withe the extra gain and warm switch turned off. sometimes i do dig in a bit hard after playing a while, but it can clip at any time if i turn it up considerably. the amp is not very loud either, surprisingly my behringer bx1200 was as loud, but the sound was not learly as full, but i'd expect 2 12's to be pretty darn loud. i sound like i'm being negative on these 2 companies, but i've spent over 1200 dollars on this rig and i want to use it to it's full potential. it is such high quality gear, i want to know what i'm doing wrong. zac
  2. mike_v_s

    mike_v_s Guest

    That head should put out 230/330/420 watts at 8/4/2 ohms, respectively.

  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    My shot in the dark on this is that you should turn your gain up a little more and turn your master down a little. Maybe turn the gain up to 11 or even 12 o'clock. I'm thinking you're not making the amp work hard enough. You paid for those extra watts. Use them. If that's not it, maybe you should try seeing if your bass picked up a stray noise. Also, do you use the enhance knob or compressor? Those are definitely potential culprits as well.
  4. Pickebass

    Pickebass Supporting Member

    Jul 12, 2004
    San Antonio, TX
    In a perfect world you would be pushing 4 ohms. If you haven't had the cab long maybe you can trade it for a 4ohm 212. I had a WT300, which was a great sounding amp and even at 4ohms I thought it was not loud enough. Great sounding setup
  5. from my experience with Eden heads (which is pretty limited I might add) they are not that loud when pushing an 8 ohm load. they really come into their own at 4 ohms
  6. kLumick

    kLumick Guest

    Apr 4, 2004
    awesome, this is exactly what i needed. thanks guys.
  7. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    If you're clipping your gain is too high. The point of the gain knob is to set your input level as high as possible without clipping (or only clipping occasionally on the loudest notes). Turn the gain down and then crank up the master.

    Here's a quote from the Eden Manual:
    Gain Control – Regulates the first gain stage of the preamplifier and
    controls the amount of signal available to the system.
    Clip Indicator – Flashes to indicate clipping anywhere in the system.
    Clipping is a Very Bad Thing and will degrade the quality of your sound.
    Therefore, this indicator should never be lit up.

    If you have disengaged the Compressor as we suggested, the Clip light will
    barely blink on your loudest notes when you reach clipping in the Input
    stage. We recommend you decrease gain one or two clicks to ensure there is
    no clipping in the system. By the way, this is David’s favorite way to set
    level, even if you intend to use compression.
    Once you have properly set your Input Gain, turn the Master Volume up to a
    comfortable listening level and proceed with the rest of the setup process.
  8. getz76

    getz76 Guest

    Apr 3, 2005
    Hoboken, NJ
    I have that head (WT-330), it gets reasonably loud at 8-ohms with the right cabinet.

    The head has a bunch of buttons next to the gain knob; do you have any of them depressed (active)?
  9. permagrin


    May 1, 2003
    San Pedro, CA
    I also have a WT-330. There is an article by David Nordchow on the Eden website about dialing in your tone, I think that may be where dd is quoting from, it mainly goes over how to dial in your gain. It's not written specifically for the WT-330's simplified controls, but the principles still apply.

    I'm not sure what power handling your 212 is rated for, but I suspect 230W may not be enough to allow the cab to really "open up."

    An option - if the Aguilar has two 4 ohm drivers wired in series to make the cab an 8 ohm cab, you can rewire the drivers in parallel to make the cab 2 ohms, and draw 420W from the amp. I had a tech wire a switch in a 210 cab for me so I can change its impedance between 8 and 2 ohms (requires a switch that's rated for high current), it's been working out super for me.

    If the Aggie has two 16 ohm drivers wired in parallel to make the cab 8 ohms, you'd be out of luck.
  10. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    The product manuals are available on the Eden site and they give very specific steps for setting your amp initially. It goes into much more detail than the quote I posted.
  11. kLumick

    kLumick Guest

    Apr 4, 2004
    does anyone know if the aggie is wired with two 4 ohm drivers in series, or two 16 ohm drivers in paralell? i'm studying recording and sound engineering with an extremely knowledgable sound engineer . he could definetely rewire the drivers in paralell to make the cabinet 4 ohms, if it's two 4 ohm drivers in series.
  12. Not unless he has magic ruby slippers he clicks together while he rewires it... :D

    If its 2 4 ohm drivers in series to get 8 ohms, he can rewire it in parallel to get 2 ohms.

    The only way he can start with 2 4 ohm drivers and give you a 4 ohm cabinet is to steal one of the 4 ohm drivers and just leave 1 in your cab... :D

  13. bassbinge


    Sep 17, 2004
    new zealand
    i have the wt330 and have had similar problems.I usually run the gain at between 11o'clock -1o'clock and the master 12-2o'clock.Use your compresser which is very good for smoothing out the peaks,i have mine dialed at 11-12oclock so it just lights up when it gets a hard thump.I'm running 2 gs112s but i dont think the wt330 puts out enough oomph 180watts at 8ohms for the gs 112's 300watt rating.Sounds like the aguilar range of cabs need quite a bit of power to be effective .I have been looking at running the wt330 through a poweramp or getting a more efficeint speaker cab e.g schroeder 1210