Isn't neck dive simply a builders flaw?

[bassbenj]

Eh..............well.

I play Thunderbirds and own lots of them from many different builders including Epiphone, BaCH, Ibanez, Greco, Orville, Gibson,Jackson and Lull, honestly I wouldn't use these basses if the OP's premise were true for me - It's not.
I mind my strap length, but don't use anything special, play mostly rock and pop in cover band so I work the money frets, I watch my weight, no beer gut to make my basses hang funny, been doing it for better than 30 years.........
Several other have made some well reasoned posts that state it pretty well, what works for one may not for another, nice that we can all be different yet still enjoy playing the bass.

I'm sorry but that is the biggest load of self-serving rubbish I ever heard! "Lets all have diversity and still get along! You sound like a democrat! I"m sorry neck dive is about the balance of an instrument. You know like those things that the statue of "justice" with the blindfold is holding? Generally speaking the end of the strap needs to be somewhere out near the 12th fret to get a balance on most basses. A T-bird is the WORST possible design with the lower horn sticking out (where the strap does NOT connect) and the upper horn recessed way in so more than half the bass is hanging off the end of the strap.

And I don't care how young you are, how flat your six pack, how thin your are, or how much you are imagining how cool you look, you WON'T be changing the balance of the bass by any of those wishful thinking things!

And the icing on the cake is your photo show a T-bird player (you?) with the strap tied to the headstock!!!! Well there's no doubt that this arrangement suddenly cures the "balance" of the bass! One of the other photos in the thread is interesting too in that it puts the strap on the lower horn. Gets it out at a good balance point, but does nothing to keep the bass falling forward with a twist! So just put BOTH your strap ends on the rear button of the bass and come back and tell us how your lack of beer belly kept it from having neck dive. (yep, got a beer belly and proud of it!) I hate neck dive.

 

[St Drogo]

I hate neck dive.

We can tell. Damn.

 

[TBird1958]

I'm sorry but that is the biggest load of self-serving rubbish I ever heard! "Lets all have diversity and still get along! You sound like a democrat! I"m sorry neck dive is about the balance of an instrument. You know like those things that the statue of "justice" with the blindfold is holding? Generally speaking the end of the strap needs to be somewhere out near the 12th fret to get a balance on most basses. A T-bird is the WORST possible design with the lower horn sticking out (where the strap does NOT connect) and the upper horn recessed way in so more than half the bass is hanging off the end of the strap.

And I don't care how young you are, how flat your six pack, how thin your are, or how much you are imagining how cool you look, you WON'T be changing the balance of the bass by any of those wishful thinking things!

And the icing on the cake is your photo show a T-bird player (you?) with the strap tied to the headstock!!!! Well there's no doubt that this arrangement suddenly cures the "balance" of the bass! One of the other photos in the thread is interesting too in that it puts the strap on the lower horn. Gets it out at a good balance point, but does nothing to keep the bass falling forward with a twist! So just put BOTH your strap ends on the rear button of the bass and come back and tell us how your lack of beer belly kept it from having neck dive. (yep, got a beer belly and proud of it!) I hate neck dive.

Hate it all you like Mr Beer Belly

I'll leave politics, out of repect to the forum, ok?
I'm 51 and in resonable shape, and proud of it. You may enjoy your beer belly and all the health problems that take you to an early grave, here's to your speedy trip bro!
I play what works for me and that happens to be Thunderbirds, I don't have have any issues you state and I definately do not attach my strap at the headstock as you suggest. The bass in question is a Lull Thunderbird - It balances perfectly, I know it's mine - Here's a larger pic,
You can plainly see the the strap attached on the upper horn.

I have no reason lie about what works for me and if you've read most of the more thoughtful posts in this thread you'd see that no one of us really does things exactly the same, Get it?

A lot of your post seems more like a personal attack on me, which is fine if that's the kind of person you are feel free to PM further so TB doesn't have to read your misinformed tripe.
I'd suggest you hit the gym, lose the beer belly and man up a little......

 

[WoodyG3]

I'm sorry but that is the biggest load of self-serving rubbish I ever heard! "Lets all have diversity and still get along! You sound like a democrat!

Hey! I'm a Democrat and I hate neck dive.

 

[Happynoj]

You sound like a democrat!

I love how you make that sound like an insult.

 

[Brad Johnson]

I'm sorry but that is the biggest load of self-serving rubbish I ever heard! "Lets all have diversity and still get along! You sound like a democrat! I"m sorry neck dive is about the balance of an instrument. You know like those things that the statue of "justice" with the blindfold is holding? Generally speaking the end of the strap needs to be somewhere out near the 12th fret to get a balance on most basses. A T-bird is the WORST possible design with the lower horn sticking out (where the strap does NOT connect) and the upper horn recessed way in so more than half the bass is hanging off the end of the strap.

And I don't care how young you are, how flat your six pack, how thin your are, or how much you are imagining how cool you look, you WON'T be changing the balance of the bass by any of those wishful thinking things!

And the icing on the cake is your photo show a T-bird player (you?) with the strap tied to the headstock!!!! Well there's no doubt that this arrangement suddenly cures the "balance" of the bass! One of the other photos in the thread is interesting too in that it puts the strap on the lower horn. Gets it out at a good balance point, but does nothing to keep the bass falling forward with a twist! So just put BOTH your strap ends on the rear button of the bass and come back and tell us how your lack of beer belly kept it from having neck dive. (yep, got a beer belly and proud of it!) I hate neck dive.

This officially just got weird.

 

[JAUQO III-X]

TBird1958 I've played a few of Mike(Lulls) TBirds and I didn't notice any neck dive issues at all. They really do balance better than the Gibson TBirds. And the Lulls sounded killer