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Issues with clicking string noises.

Hi.

I have a slight problem with clicking noises on my bass, especially when using the drive channel on my amp (EBS Fafner 2). The noise is basically caused by the strings hitting the fretboard when playing fingerstyle. The clicks are quite manageable when playing on the clean channel but are augmented by the drive to such an extent that it is becoming a nuisance. An other dilemma i have is that i like to play with very low action all across the fretboard since I play a lot of chords in the higher regions of the fretboard, and the low action really helps with intonation and makes tapping and two hand chords easier, but i have tried to raise the action progressively with the lowest action on the G string and higher action towards the B string(the problem is most noticeable on the B,E and A string ), but this doesn't fix the issue completely, all this does is to make playing a bit harder. I have also tried to use the sweepable mid filter with high Q-value to limit the clicks, but this hasn't been very successful. Coupled with my preferred low action I also like to attack the strings quite hard since I have a quite percussive style of playing(When playing fast I tend to attack the strings in more of a downward direction which isn't really making the whole issue any easier) and I have reached a level of comfort in this style that makes it hard to try and change how I play.

Now the question is as follows. What tricks can i use to get rid of the problem? would lowering the pickup- height work for this? Can i try different strings or am i forced to raise the strings from the fretboard in order to remedy the problem?
At the moment I am using Rotosound PSD-99 strings with exposed cores which is limiting my ability to raise the strings at the bridge. I have previously used standard issue Rotosound Swing 66 strings which I preferred because of the lower tension and overall feel of the strings, but my experience with other brands is very limited, so I don't really know of any alternatives in that department.

Thankful for any help i can get.
/Anders


PS. If at all relevant. Here is a short description of my bass and other equipment.
I am using an Esh Impact 5 String bass with a 3D bridge which I think was made by a German company called Göldo.
The bass is made out of bookmatched Ash with maple neck and rosewood fingerboard, so there is a lot of attack and bite in the sound. I have modified the pickups and electronics, and am now using two Lundgren Soapbar pickups coupled with my home concocted electronics consisting of three 4t3p rotary switches for coil selection, but i mostly use the outer coils in series since it gives me a good trade between clarity and bottom end.
I use an EBS fafner 2 bass amp with a neoline 810 cabinet which has an insane amount of attack and clarity in the high register, which further augments the clicking sounds from my strings.

I hope my ramblings are of some relevance in this context.
 
Any chance strings are hitting top of the pups? If so, yes lower the pups. Also lowering the bridge pup a screwdrive turn might help since it being more treble voiced could be increasing audibleness of string clicks. I loike some fret buzz with overdrive myself. So is little surprising you find it more annoying with overdrive.
 
Can't tell for sure, but the problem you describe sounds like it might be what is referred to as string clack. It is usually not the string you are plucking that makes the noise but the one right next to it. As your finger comes off the plucked string it strikes the one next to it and causes it to smack into a fret. There are a couple of ways to deal with it.

First try adding a bit more relief to the neck and lowering the saddles a bit to compensate. That may help.

The second is to raise the saddles some without changing the relief, but if the clack is the strings hitting the first few frets it will take a lot of raising of the saddles to compensate.

The third is a question of technique. Look at your fingers as they pluck the string. Are they perpendicular to the string or do you pluck on a downward angle into the string? If the latter, you can reduce the clack by moving your hand position so that your fingers are perpendicular to the string as you pluck. The problem with non-perpendicular plucking is that you have a tendency to push the string next to that being plucked into the frets.
 
Thank you for your reply.
I have checked for strings hitting the pickup, but it is not something that I have been able to visually notice. Still it might be the case since the noise isn't at all like the percussive sound of a slap, but rather a more distinctly treble driven click. And i totally agree with you on the fret buzz, it does sound great with a bit of distortion, in my mind it sort of enhances the richness of the notes and helps to develop overtaones.
I will try to lower the pickups a bit, but this might take some work since they are screwed down as far as i can get them with the foam backing being the same as I had with my older thinner pickups, (I will essentially need to remove the strings and change the pickups screws as well as the foam backing, however removing the current strings isn't very easy without destroying them since the ball ends of the exposed core strings are so large they need to be pryed out of the bridge which might crack the thin string core). It is also quite hard to remember if i had the exact same problem with the old pickups and strings, but I do remember clicks that weren't far off from what I am experiencing today, the strings might actually be hitting the very top two or three frets instead, in which case I have no clue as to what can be done about it.
I will try to lower the pickups sometime tomorrow as well as giving the bass a full overhaul with the trussrod and the works.
Is there anything else that comes to mind that I might try as well?

Thank you again for your input.
/Anders
 
Thank you Turnaround. I didn't see your post until just now when I had already answered darkstorm.

As far as I can tell, the strings next to the one being plucked isn't moving at all since i mostly get the problem on the E and B string, and when I am plucking the B string the E string is muted with my left hand and when plucking the E string I rest my thumb on the B string.
I do however pluck the strings in a sort of downward motion, which might cause them to hit the top of the fretboard, this theory might be supported by the fact that using a pick almost removes the problem entirely. Could it be as simple as me having developed a style of plucking as unsuitable as that? If so I am going to have a hard time adjusting to fix that issue since I have grown so proficient at playing rhythms in that way.

Thanks ones again.
/Anders
 
Thank you Turnaround. I didn't see your post until just now when I had already answered darkstorm.

As far as I can tell, the strings next to the one being plucked isn't moving at all since i mostly get the problem on the E and B string, and when I am plucking the B string the E string is muted with my left hand and when plucking the E string I rest my thumb on the B string.
I do however pluck the strings in a sort of downward motion, which might cause them to hit the top of the fretboard, this theory might be supported by the fact that using a pick almost removes the problem entirely. Could it be as simple as me having developed a style of plucking as unsuitable as that? If so I am going to have a hard time adjusting to fix that issue since I have grown so proficient at playing rhythms in that way.

Thanks ones again.
/Anders

This is exactly the case, you can fix this through improving your technique. I had a style that was very similar to this, and still bring it around from time to time for that sound.
 
Anders -

Yes I think you need to adjust your technique a bit. I developed a poor attack angle as well because I was having wrist issues. Wrist got better - clack got worse. With coaching from another seasoned bassist, I changed my strap length and hand position and now I have neither clack nor wrist problems. It's surprising how quickly I was able to adjust to the new geometry. It probably won't as hard as you think.
 
Thank you all for your input.

I have my bass strapped quite high, so raising the wrist shouldn't be much of a problem to get a more perpendicular angle of attack. I guess i will just have to fiddle a bit with the pickup height as well as overall neck setup and just get back to work on technique as often as i can. An hour or two in each night should make a differance pretty soon.
 
I've experienced "string clack" on two basses.

One was a Spector Rex that I bought for flipping purposes. After a bath and setup (including new strings), it clacked. The strings were Marcus Miller DR FatBeams so I partly blamed those. I also blamed my technique, because I'm lousy. The third suspect was the fretboard. I think it may have been super dense and I also noticed and repaired a small crack-ish separation of the fretboard and neck at fret 8. It still clacked when I sold it to a young Pantera fan who was mostly deaf.

The other was a Fender AEB. It only clacks when I play it plugged in with the treble not rolled off. It clacks because of my lousiness. :smug:
 
Something I found with my bass is that the source of a clacking or ticking noise was the pickup which wasn't quite solidly supported from underneath. The pickup depressed a little under my thumb when I plucked the string, and it made the clicking noise when it returned up to hit the screw, and it was quite audible as it was amplified by the preamp . I added firmer foam under the pickup so it wouldn't move and then this noise went away. Maybe something to check with your bass as well.
 
fishheadjoe.
The nut is not the culprit in this case as the strings fit perfectly, but thank you for the tip. I had a bass ones that had the nut issue, but it was cut too wide, which resulted in a lot of uncontrollable buzz. The bass was kind of crap, so I fixed it by building up the slot in the nut witch acrylate glue and paper, which worked surprisingly well.

Immigrant.
Do you mean that the separation of the fretboard and neck caused the fretboard to rise towards the string in a that area? And was this causing the problem? my problem seams lo be around the last three frets.

FretNoMore.
The pickups are not an issue in that way in my case. The pickups are probably backed with too much foam if anything, since I can't seem to lower them any more than I have right now. I might have to lower them a bit since I noticed just yesterday how close they are to the string when the string strikes the fretboard, which just might be part of the problem.

I tried to adjust my technique a lot while playing yesterday, the clicking disappeared when playing really soft, but as soon as I started to get going and naturally started to attack the strings a bit harder it reappeared, even when plucking more perpendicularly. And this time I wasn't really attacking close to as hard as I am used to. This strengthens my belief that there is an underlying issue with the whole setup that I am currently running. Although technique shouldn't be ruled out at this moment, far from it. I am trying to be conscious of my right hand at all times to get better at that as well, but I feel that no amount of technique adjustments will solve this unless I get to the bottom with the underlying issues with setup. Next step will probably be to go and buy a new pack of strings and follow one of the guides on the forum to the letter and not just jump pages thinking that something is trivial. My setups have been quite touch and go from the start, and the last time I switched strings to a more high tension set I have to confess some arbitrary tweaking of the truss-rod which did even out the neck, but maybe not with as high precision as was required
 
I had a similar problem with my RIC... it wasn't that the nut was cut too wide, but not cut deep enough.
With the nut not cut deep enough, the strings on the bass were angled from the headstock downward toward the bridge. Bridge adjustment to accomodate "high action" netted me tons of string clank.
A quick trip to a good shop and it was pointed out to me that the nut was too high. A quick run over with the right file solved my problem immediately.
Again, might not solve your clank problem, but it sure did help with mine!
Fishheadjoe
 
I had a similar problem with my RIC... it wasn't that the nut was cut too wide, but not cut deep enough.
With the nut not cut deep enough, the strings on the bass were angled from the headstock downward toward the bridge. Bridge adjustment to accomodate "high action" netted me tons of string clank.
A quick trip to a good shop and it was pointed out to me that the nut was too high. A quick run over with the right file solved my problem immediately.
Again, might not solve your clank problem, but it sure did help with mine!
Fishheadjoe

This makes no sense.
 
Bass12.
I would not know how to deskribe the tension of the rotosound strings since I do not have any real points of referance other than the exposed core strings of the same brand which arw considerably tighter. If I was to take an un educated guess i would call them medium tension, and thus quite flexible on bends and such but they do not move a lot more than the ones I am using at the moment.

Rj1972.
I don't think that grounding is the issue in this case since the pickups are grounded through both the braid in the shielded cable as well as through a star grounded copper foil in the pickup cavities and the electronics cavity. But i will however give it a good inspection just to be sure.

Fishheadjoe.
I think that I understand where you are going with this. Do you mean that in order to compensate for the string height at the lower register you had to lower the strings too far at the bridge? And if this is the case, what would you say is a good height at the nut?
 
This makes no sense.

? How would that have anything to do with, "string clank"?

Probably nothing. If you would have read my entire post, you would've gathered that suspect #1 was my lousy technique plus a separated fretboard.

Maybe offer up a solution instead of letting others know how wrong their ideas are? I usually learn from your posts, but not these.
 
The real problem is the frets. Get rid of those and the clickety clack will all but go away - that's why I got rid of the frets over a decade ago :).

Otherwise, the only real fixes are:
- pluck closer to the bridge. This reduces the string excursion and will minimize the clopping noise.
- raise the action. This obviously gets the strings further away.
- add relief (loosen truss rod). This make the fingerboard shape more like a vibrating string at the extremes of excursion.
- turn down the treble on the bass and amp.

That's about all you can do about it without going fretless. Even a fretless will give a little string slap with very low action, but it's a much more controllable tone than on a fretted....

LS