Well, yeah...I've been able to make living from it, so it was kind of a "tongue in cheek" comment.
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It's a 210 combo AND modular 110 separates all in one......
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Well, yeah...I've been able to make living from it, so it was kind of a "tongue in cheek" comment.
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Hey Sundogue, recall also that when I mentioned that I also referred to resonance? Ever play on a stage that seemed to soak up a lot of lower frequency acoustic output? On a smaller scale this can happen with your attached box perhaps. Definitely tougher panel damping achieved by bracing can help. Sometimes it may be that the acoustic sources themselves - yes, the cabs - might take a little extra bracing too. I'd be looking at the bottom cab's bottom ferinstance, in this case.
Good to see people are appreciating the fine looks and schleppage points. Hope they also realize it's a cool two-way design with proper midrange driver stacking, etc.
Not to mention that great Carvin head. Is it not everything I said it would be? And now the BX1500. Sheesh - a single-piece dream for guys who want to play around with EQ and bi-amping and actually have enough power to make it kill!
Well after bracing the bottom "case" I still had a tad bit of vibration (mostly on the "D" on the A string as well as on my low B string). Most every other note I get nothing.
So I added a strip of foam (same stuff inside my cabs) to the top front and back of the case and put the cabs back on. Viola! You are right, the bottom cab was coupling together with the case. With the foam in between is stopped the case from rattling.
I also noticed that the latches are tighter as well. Currently I only have 1/4" think rubber feet on the bottom of the cabs and amphead case. They are just stick on rubber pads, not the typical bass cab rubber feet (though they are not spongy...quite firm rubber). Typical cab feet put too much distance between the stacking components. But that may also be why I get more vibration in the case. I think I will add one more rubber foot to each one on the bottom cab and see if the latches still latch and perhaps it de-couples the bottom cab from the case more.
Yeah everyone seems to appreciate the ease of transport with it, though I think only one or two noticed the actual cab design with the BP102's and the dedicated mids. I mean, after all, THAT is the most important thing. If the cabs suck, not much point in how well I can haul it.
These 110/6 cabs would be under 20 lbs. with neos, but at 22 lbs. I'm fine with it. I feel that if I can't carry at least 20 lbs. I should probably stop gigging. There is a point where weight savings borders on the absurd. But I ain't getting any younger and I'm digging the modularity and transport aspects of it.
And yes, the BX1200 is just the perfect amp for me. I'm not even a cab design guru, much less anywhere near having even the remotest idea on internal crossover designs. That's something I'll get into someday in time.
That is awesome! Love it!
I have been tossing the same idea in my head for a few years but had the $$$ or time to try it myself. I was never sure about the latches to use.
This is awesome. Beautiful execution. Now I might have the guts to try it on my fEarful cab.
SWEET!
I have been tossing the same idea in my head for a few years but had the $$$ or time to try it myself. I was never sure about the latches to use.
This is awesome. Beautiful execution. Now I might have the guts to try it on my fEarful cab.
SWEET!
Yes, now how to add a motor and comfortable chair to this thing so I can just drive up to the gig like one of those handicap scooters.
This. This.
--Bomb
They make some great heavy duty latches for this purpose at speakerhardware.com. But at almost $12 a pop, and me needing six latches I just went with the heaviest duty latches I could find at a hardware store. They are pretty heavy duty, but they are surface mount, unlike the SH.com ones which are flush mounted right into the cab and latch by hooking a bigger bracket and then twisting them down tight. Better, but not in my budget.
Doubling up on the 1/4" thick rubber feet (giving me 1/2" thick rubber feet) did the trick at eliminating the vibration from the bottom case altogether.
I think it gave the bottom cab just enough space between it and the case to make the vibration cease.
As a side benefit, the latches are SUPER tight because of it and when using it as a handcart tilted back it is totally rock solid (as there was just a hint of play between components, but not much to bother me).
I think it gave the bottom cab just enough space between it and the case to make the vibration cease.
As a side benefit, the latches are SUPER tight because of it and when using it as a handcart tilted back it is totally rock solid (as there was just a hint of play between components, but not much to bother me).
While I'm soaking in all the compliments on the "modular tactical rig" (many thanks), I'm surprised at how few comments have been made about the 110/6 cabs themselves.
These are 22 lb. little lightweight boxes that have a killer tone and do, in fact, get quite loud for what they are. This is by far the loudest, fullest (throughout the frequency range) 210 "combo" I've ever played through and also by far, the easiest to transport.
Most 110 cabs are obviously little and are seldom thought of as much of anything but useful for little jazz/lounge gigs. Even a lot of 210's get stomped on for not really being able to keep up in a medium rock band venue.
Even though I'll be using these mostly for my new blues band and I won't need a ton of loud rock volume, I do have a few gigs with a classic rock band that plays fairly loud. And I've used my 210/6 cab alone with that band before and I never had a problem hearing myself onstage with that...ever. True we have PA support, but generally rock bands even onstage are not quiet and my 210/6 cab kept up nicely for every gig but outdoor ones.
And these little 110/6 cabs are just my 210/6 split in half. Light and little yet really have some serious balls to them, not even considering they are 110's. And the tone is incredible.
No, they aren't neos, but these BP102 speakers are quite the little bass monsters. They handle the low end better than most tens and the only thing they lack is mids and highs, thus the addition of 6" mid drivers. Very full, articulate and I'll say it again...quite loud 110 cabs.
Perhaps I didn't get the feedback on the cabs themselves because of how I titled my thread. But of all the cabs I've built these are the best I've done to date for many reasons. I kept all the volume and tone of my 210/6 cab but greatly enhanced the portability of my rig.
(many thanks), I'm surprised at how few comments have been made about the 110/6 cabs themselves. These are 22 lb. little lightweight boxes that have a killer tone and do, in fact, get quite loud for what they are. This is by far the loudest, fullest (throughout the frequency range) 210 "combo" I've ever played through and also by far, the easiest to transport.
Most 110 cabs are obviously little and are seldom thought of as much of anything but useful for little jazz/lounge gigs. Even a lot of 210's get stomped on for not really being able to keep up in a medium rock band venue.
Even though I'll be using these mostly for my new blues band and I won't need a ton of loud rock volume, I do have a few gigs with a classic rock band that plays fairly loud. And I've used my 210/6 cab alone with that band before and I never had a problem hearing myself onstage with that...ever. True we have PA support, but generally rock bands even onstage are not quiet and my 210/6 cab kept up nicely for every gig but outdoor ones.
And these little 110/6 cabs are just my 210/6 split in half. Light and little yet really have some serious balls to them, not even considering they are 110's. And the tone is incredible.
No, they aren't neos, but these BP102 speakers are quite the little bass monsters. They handle the low end better than most tens and the only thing they lack is mids and highs, thus the addition of 6" mid drivers. Very full, articulate and I'll say it again...quite loud 110 cabs.
Perhaps I didn't get the feedback on the cabs themselves because of how I titled my thread. But of all the cabs I've built these are the best I've done to date for many reasons. I kept all the volume and tone of my 210/6 cab but greatly enhanced the portability of my rig.
Can you give details of the 110 build? Cab dimensions, port size, etc. Also, what mid did you use? Is there a crossover?
I'm needing a cheap 110 for a bass monitor that I can leave at the church every week.
I'm needing a cheap 110 for a bass monitor that I can leave at the church every week.
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This one kind of rides the line for me...The BP-102's obviously are executed properly with a mid and boxes big enough to make them shine, but at the same time, you've got a rig that's roughly the size of a 2x12 setup, which may not be quite the form factor that a lot of guys who use 2x10 rigs are looking for...or all in all, a 2x10 rig that weighs in around 60 pounds or so.
It is pretty though, and I'm glad it does what you need.
It is pretty though, and I'm glad it does what you need.
I used BP102 4 ohm drivers for the lows (my amp puts out 600 watts into a 2 ohm load on one side) and I just used two 6" speakers stolen from my Bose 201 speakers driven by the other side of my amp. With all the small drivers I have lying around, those sounded the best for my use as mid drivers. I went on the cheap with everything I could.
I use a Carvin BX1200 and bi-amp with that. I'm still experimenting with the crossover point. It sounds good anywhere from 500Hz to 800Hz, although the BP102's kind of die off above 500Hz. EQ'ing can fill in the gaps reasonably well.
You could use BP102 8 ohm drivers with an Eminence Alphalite 6A neo for the mids and get an Eminence 500Hz or 800Hz two way crossover.
My cabs have an internal volume of 1.5 cu. ft. and they are tuned to 49Hz.
BP102's are not very sensitive speakers although the 8 ohm version is more so. The good news is they take a lot of power very well, rated at 200 watts each with a 6.2mm xmax and 10.0mm xlim (4 ohm version is anyway...not sure if the 8 ohm model is or not, you'd have to check).
It's not a 210 that weighs 60 lbs. though. It's more a 66 lb. 210 combo or a 44 lb. 210. However, the head, and the cabs only weigh 22. lbs. each so the total weight is really a moot point as it never gets lifted in it's entirety. Nor is it any more than one single trip to haul everything (including my bass).
Yeah, combined the two 110/6 cabs are about a 212 cab size. But they are not one cab, which was a big deal to me (understanding it wouldn't be for others) because I wanted two small, light cabs instead of one bigger, heavier one. I had them in a 210/6 cab that was more the standard 210 (with drivers aligned diagonally) but I hated even hauling that around.
Of course neos change everything and obviously make a cab lighter. But I had the BP102's and I LOVE the tone of my 210/6 cab (as I do these 110/6 cabs), so it was a matter of not spending anymore money on speakers but achieving the same tonal profile in a lighter, more modular rig.
And, should I want to, I can keep one 110/6 cab at rehearsal and one at home as I/we don't rehearse loud. Can't do that with a single 212.
This was all about keeping the tone and volume I already had, but conquering every obstacle with my practicing and gigging.
Just used my rig this weekend filling in for my old rock band in a pretty loud venue.
It was killer. The tone was great and I could hear myself even with two loud guitarists and a pretty loud drummer. We had PA support but the stage volume was still pretty insane and these cabs held up well and sounded great!
The load in and out was a piece of cake, even going through a snow covered parking lot and up and down some steps. Pulled up to the building, took out the bottom case, stacked and latched everything and pulled it through some snow (big wheels on the back at bottom and with the bottom part being only a case and not my actual bass cab, no worries about snow getting on it!). Got to the door and stood it back up. Got the door open and tilted it back and up some steps and into the room.
Wheeled it over to the stage where I took it apart, took out all my accessories, then put it back together and plugged everything in. Took me all of 5 minutes from truck to stage and ready to go, with no hassles, no heavy lifting. All this through a snow covered, uneven gravel parking lot and up and down stairs.
Left my gear in my truck overnight after I got home at 3:30 AM. Got up the next day, wheeled it over an uneven path to my steps and easily carried these little cabs up the steps and back inside.
I'm really digging this setup.
It was killer. The tone was great and I could hear myself even with two loud guitarists and a pretty loud drummer. We had PA support but the stage volume was still pretty insane and these cabs held up well and sounded great!
The load in and out was a piece of cake, even going through a snow covered parking lot and up and down some steps. Pulled up to the building, took out the bottom case, stacked and latched everything and pulled it through some snow (big wheels on the back at bottom and with the bottom part being only a case and not my actual bass cab, no worries about snow getting on it!). Got to the door and stood it back up. Got the door open and tilted it back and up some steps and into the room.
Wheeled it over to the stage where I took it apart, took out all my accessories, then put it back together and plugged everything in. Took me all of 5 minutes from truck to stage and ready to go, with no hassles, no heavy lifting. All this through a snow covered, uneven gravel parking lot and up and down stairs.
Left my gear in my truck overnight after I got home at 3:30 AM. Got up the next day, wheeled it over an uneven path to my steps and easily carried these little cabs up the steps and back inside.
I'm really digging this setup.
I'm on this forum every day and I still manage to miss some cool shiz. Very well executed and purty to boot.
Very Cool Sundogue! Glad I came across this thread. Kind of validated what I'm trying to do with a fEarful 12/6-12/sub combo. Awesome job!
Old thread, I know.
I came across this while rethinking my current setup and contemplating my first DIY project (been reading up on fearfuls, bfms, and some other designs). There are so many different possible approaches! My first project won't be nearly this involved (better to screw up some smaller projects first!). Kudos on some very cool, purpose-specific DIY. Are you still digging/gigging it?
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I came across this while rethinking my current setup and contemplating my first DIY project (been reading up on fearfuls, bfms, and some other designs). There are so many different possible approaches! My first project won't be nearly this involved (better to screw up some smaller projects first!). Kudos on some very cool, purpose-specific DIY. Are you still digging/gigging it?
Subbed, so I can come back and find this later.
No, not gigging them too much these days. I use them at my rehearsal place though.
I went to a fEARful 15/6 and there just isn't any point in using these when that single cab does everything for me.
Although I do have a few little side gigs I might use them on that requires such little power that perhaps even one 110/6 will do just fine for them.
