it's just SO damn hard to decide...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Pandafist, Jun 22, 2008.

  1. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    but I have to TODAY, so I've come to you.
    I have to downsize my rig due to rising gas costs and a shrinking tour vehicle. We're going from a van to a Honda Element to be exact.

    Here's my 'problem' and I'd really appreciate your input and advice.

    I play through an Ampeg SVT CL head, and normally I use the b410he and a single b115 cab (both 8 ohms, making a four ohm load). Now that our tour vehicle is half of what it used to be, i have to do away with the 115. Sadly, the B410HE just doesn't cut it (tonally and ohms) by itself for me or the head. I know I could rewire it to 4 ohms but I've already decided that's not the route I'll be taking. Both those cabs are now for sale, by the way, so feel free to contact me if you are interested.

    I've found 3, 410 cabs for about the same price on Craigslist and I'm not sure which will suit me best.
    My band is all over the place, fast, crazy and loud (, so I need punch, but there are parts that call for a really deep low end as well. So I basically need the cab that does it all.

    Which would you recommend for me? -
    1. Ampeg PR 410 HLF
    2. Ampeg 410 HLF
    3. Eden D 410 XLT

    they are all 4 ohms so I can use them by themselves with my head without fear of damage to either end. The ampegs seem like they'd be similar, so I'd like to know how they differ, and which is 'better'? The Eden is the most expensive of the three, but I found a pretty great deal on one so it's on the table. I've also read it's the best of the 3, but it costs more. Is it really that much better than either of these other cabs? Please help.
  2. i believe the eden one will also be smaller, those 2 ampeg 410's are larger than your average 410 due to the porting on the bottom. those are all good cabs though, if you can get a good deal on the eden, i say go for that.

    You might miss the low end you were getting out of the 115, but those cabs all have pretty good low end for a 410.
  3. Visirale


    Mar 23, 2003
    Well first off, your head puts out the same wattage at any impedance, so you don't really have to worry about that.

    Out of those three, I'd go with the eden, mostly because most modern ampeg cabs have left something to be desired. It all depends on what kind of tone you're going for though.
  4. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    yeah, here's the specifics on sizes and weight.

    Ampeg PR 410 HLF = 26.25 x 30.75 x 18.75 @ 128 pounds

    Ampeg SVT 410 HLF = 24 x 30 x 19 @ 110 pounds

    Eden D 410 XLT = 23 x 27.5 x 18.5 @ 98 pounds

    the Eden is smallest and lightest, but how does it sound?
  5. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    AGGRESSIVE. that is the tone I'm going for. check the myspace page for music examples
  6. leftymike


    Sep 23, 2006
    Austin Tejas
    I think the size and tone of the Eden definitely wins out here. But more importantly - Your myspace page gave me a seizure!!
  7. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR

    If the music don't give you fits, then at least the page will!
  8. leftymike


    Sep 23, 2006
    Austin Tejas
    :bassist::bassist::bassist: This is true!
  9. Visirale


    Mar 23, 2003
    Ohhhh I didn't read your name on the first post but now I remember your other thread. Definitely dig your music.

    I'd say try out both if you can. I think the eden can go deeper than the ampeg stuff. It's cleaner without sacrificing aggressiveness for the cleanliness (if that makes sense).
  10. Willem


    Dec 26, 2005
    it doesn't really matter, but you can't rewire your 8ohm 410 to 4ohm, you could wire it to 2ohm, but not 4.
  11. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    I've been told otherwise, but... whatever. Like I said, I'm selling it anyway so I'm not worried about the wiring possibilities of the 410 HE.
    thanks for the heads up though.
  12. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    and thank you, it does make sense.
    But it's sort of a complicated situation. I would just try all 3 if it were that easy. The SVT 410 HLF is an hour north of me and the PR 410 is about two hours south of me. That's a LOT of driving to test these cabs. The eden is in town so that's another point for the eden (but it's more expensive). ALL 3 sellers offered delivery but I would never expect someone to bring me a cab just so I can test it. They all guarantee the cabs so I'm probably going to have to make up my mind without testing either of the Ampegs.

    DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH ANY OF THESE CABS? Even better, is there anybody out there who has played on more than one of these cabs that could compare based on experience?
    Thanks again
  13. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    I don't want to make this seem more complicated than it is already, but I'm gonna suggest something else entirely. Either a 2x12, or something like a Schroeder 21012, or similar. At least consider 12's in the equasion, they're, to me, alot beefier while remaining tight. The perfect cab might be a 210212, but even a 2x12 alone will pack alot of beefy punch.
  14. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    yeah, i've heard those are cool.
    but that's about $400 dollars more than the deals i found on craigslist.
    in other words...
    you buying?
  15. Get the Eden... :)
  16. Gearhead17

    Gearhead17 Supporting Member

    May 4, 2006
    Mount Prospect, IL
    Having tried all of these cabs, I will suggest going with the Eden cab. Fist things first though, forget the specs on frequency response......pushing all of that low end the 410hlf and PR 410hlf can put out is NOT going to help your band mates hear you better or your audience for that matter. Let a decent PA system pump out the low lows.

    The Eden 410XLT does something neither of those Ampeg cabs do - project bass tones a good distance. The mids on these cabs are solid and growly, while the lows are tight. Good upper mid response too. The tweeter on these cabs are not the best though.....if you want a super bright tone, look towards the Eden 410XST, but if you want a punchy/cutting through bass tone, go the 410XLT. The high end content is not terrible, it's just not as bright sounding as other cabs. Still sounds nice though and not a deal breaker in my eyes. Lastly, the Eden 410XLT is hugely efficient - the other two Ampeg cabs are rated at 96db and 97db. While the Eden cab is rated at 106db; a good 9-10db difference. So the Eden cab is going to sound louder then both of those Ampeg cabs with similar wattages. The only low point with the Eden 410XLT is that it will not do too much low end below 40hz and the drop off point starts at 50hz. But honestly, if you put this cab near the floor or in a good acoustic response room, it can deliver plenty of lows. I use a 5 string with no issues......

    FYI - I used to own 2 SVT 410hlfs and I tried a PR-410hlf off of a buddies rig for a show. Never again with either!

    The Eden 410XST - Amazing high end response (almost too much in my opinion). More low end response, but the midrange is just about transparent - as in you really don't hear the midrange growl or thickness of it like you would with the XLT. That's a major deal breaker for me!

    Good luck and PM me if you have other questions.
  17. dannster


    Aug 20, 2000
    If it has to be one of these I'd go for the Eden.
    But if you can hold off:
    I've got an Avatar Neo 410 rated 1000 watts I'm very happy with. It'll pretty much take whatever you throw at it. comes in a rainbow of different colors if desired. Only weighs in at 65lbs. and is $461 delivered!
    You can check them out here:
    Something to think about if not now...down the road.
  18. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Eden. All my experience with the 4x10 and 2x10 has been positive.
  19. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    seems like a consensus to me.
    I'll check it out tomorrow and let you guys know if I buy it (which I probably will)
    thanks everybody