The lowest pitch the human ear can percieve is C0, almost an octave lower than the low B.
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Its taken a while for the low B, how long for lower?
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The lowest pitch the human ear can percieve is C0, almost an octave lower than the low B.
Question: How much would it cost to amplify this wall of subs in an arena setting to get effective cone throw @ 23Hz?
To hear it is one thing. To be able to differentiate between it and a a note a semi-tone or two away, or even half an octave away, would be near impossible for most people.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
Seems like a slippery slope though - from four to five. Then I start wanting a six. If I get a six I will want seven. You see? Before long I will be after Jauqo to pillage his collection!
just stay away from mine, if you know what's good for you.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
AGAIN, this is only true with fundamental frequencies. people don't play monochromatic frequencies with stringed instruments, every note is a unique series of harmonics, and given a reasonably decent rig, notes this low can be distinguished.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
anyone who's on tour without -many- extra strings deserves to go stringless. a box of 30 sets of strings takes up about the same space as a boot box, and once someone develops a business relationship with a string manufacturer, they end up costing about the same as a nice pair of boots too.
to do otherwise is irresponsible.
just stay away from mine, if you know what's good for you.
Aw, come on, you don't really need that doubleneck, or the geddy, or the ritter, share the love!
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
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I own a Warwick Vampyre BO with the low F#, and I absolutlely love it, but I don`t think that it will get very popular umong bass players.
Now I'm saying this because I think going so low is something special, and not everybody should do it! Some of us are just unique and like to feel our organs moving around when we play bass. What a great feeling...
Now I'm saying this because I think going so low is something special, and not everybody should do it! Some of us are just unique and like to feel our organs moving around when we play bass. What a great feeling...
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An interesting post. and what does Diva have to do with any of this?
If it goes mainstream, or not means nothing to me I just play(and no I'm not being sarcastic).
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
what's with the insults? i haven't seen anyone in this thread "act the diva" despite the unnecessary insults and disrespect being thrown around about folks' instrument choices.
you know, folks, this has got to stop.
There's a difference, especially if you're bouncing around a lot musically. You're not going to want to turn it off and on for every second note.
Also the sound is different. The harmonics aren't going to be the same.
OTOH, you could just use a keyboard instead.
Yep.. I know. Funny how people always refer to TB posters as if they're being pretentious about this stuff, when not a single person has said anything out of line other than these type of responses. I noticed that a dozen posts ago.
i don't think anyone thinks playing outside the normal 4 string makes them special.
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Being one that doesn't care what is, was, or will be popular, sometimes it's just about the art for the artist. I'm happy when people dig what I do, but it doesn't upset me that people who are fans of such n' such o' genres don't like my music. I've never brewed a batch of beer thinking that if I try to replicate Bud Light that more people will like it. I'm just a painter who will put a spin on art.
Hmmmmm, that sounds like it could get in the way of an extra case of hair spray. Crap. I don't have hair.
With all the talk about these low frequencies I can't help thinking about the (probably) mythological brown note.
Personally I hardly ever use anything below the D on my B string so I can't see myself ever using an F#, but I'm sure their popularity will grow. I don't think it will ever be as popular as a low B is today though.
Personally I hardly ever use anything below the D on my B string so I can't see myself ever using an F#, but I'm sure their popularity will grow. I don't think it will ever be as popular as a low B is today though.
I dig some of the stuff I hear from peeps using the low F#
I don't think it will ever be as popular as the low B is today.
Popularity is really only good for clear channel and mtv anyways though. Even in the unpopular realm, there are still thinks that are well accepted.
What I REALLY dig are people who are great at what they do. and yes, that includes many ERBers. somehow though, I have found out that my personal tastes means little to the average person. then again, I have little faith in the average person.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. " K
I don't think it will ever be as popular as the low B is today.
Popularity is really only good for clear channel and mtv anyways though. Even in the unpopular realm, there are still thinks that are well accepted.
What I REALLY dig are people who are great at what they do. and yes, that includes many ERBers. somehow though, I have found out that my personal tastes means little to the average person. then again, I have little faith in the average person.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. " K
Thanks for a great thread. I've enjoyed reading it so far.
To compare it to an orchestra or even a piano is not necessarily fair, as those are all acoustic instruments. Most symphony players do not have huge rigs behind them, so the electronic amplification issue is not necessarily there. If an orchestra needs to increase the volume of the bass section, they increase the number of bassists
Yes, it will become accepted within the bass playing community, but I don't think it will be specifically requested and as ubiquitous as the low B. This will build as folks like Jaquo IIIX or Moderator Turner (& others, forgive me for your exclusion) continue to use ERBs & make their own music, and folks strive to emulate that sound, but given the exceptionally small community currently using those frequencies, it will take a long time, i.e., more than 10 years, IMO.
imp.
To compare it to an orchestra or even a piano is not necessarily fair, as those are all acoustic instruments. Most symphony players do not have huge rigs behind them, so the electronic amplification issue is not necessarily there. If an orchestra needs to increase the volume of the bass section, they increase the number of bassists
Yes, it will become accepted within the bass playing community, but I don't think it will be specifically requested and as ubiquitous as the low B. This will build as folks like Jaquo IIIX or Moderator Turner (& others, forgive me for your exclusion) continue to use ERBs & make their own music, and folks strive to emulate that sound, but given the exceptionally small community currently using those frequencies, it will take a long time, i.e., more than 10 years, IMO.
imp.
Actually, it is generally accepted that the lowest fundamental frequency people can hear is the A, just below low B. That's why it's the lowest note on the piano.
Because of my years playing lower, I can comfortably and reliably identify the fundamental down to G. The fact is, that you nor most anyone else is unlikely to hear much below that...what you actually do is "perceive" the fundamental physically, and identify the actual pitch via the overtone series present in the note.
The fact is that even the low E on a standard bass guitar is rarely reproduced very accurately, with the fundamental reproduced nowhere near as loud as the upper overtone structure, due to the inability of most standard equipment to even reproduce a 40Hz note without having it significantly lower in output (rolloff).
Try setting a synthesizer set to create simple sine waves, and then go listen to the pure notes that you know as the fundamentals on your 4 string. You'll be very surprised to hear that much of what you THOUGHT was the notes you were hearing, is actually the upper harmonics, and the fundamental is far lower than what you imagined.
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