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I've been thinking lately.....

I currently have some great basses sitting in my living room. One is my 55-02 which is already up for sale, and the other is my CAR Fender RBV I recently bought from user "Pickles." One other bass that's currently in the same room, is my 4-string SX '75C (the one with 3TS finish and the maple neck with black blocks and binding.)

(Some info on the SX: I recently overhauled the electronics by installing Dimarzio Model J's and wiring up a passive V/B/T harness with a Series/Parallel switch. I also have the bass strung with DR Lo-Riders.)

After playing all three today, I can honestly say that the 4-string SX is the one that just sings to me. The other two are fantastic playing and sounding basses, but I find that the simple, classic 4 string Jazz bass tone is what I love. Flip the switch into the Series setting, and I'm almost is P bass territory, but with more "growl." I'm sure that the combination of the Model J's and DR Lo-Rider is to account for the incredible amount of juicy low-mids.

The SX's output is much hotter than the other two basses (I have the 55-02's preamp set at the lowest gain level) and just seems so organic and natural. I find the 55-02 to be too "active" for me, and the RBV, while a Jazz-style bass, just doesn't have what I'm looking for.

When it comes to playability, the RBV and 55-02 naturally outplay the SX only in the fretwork category, as the SX could use some light leveling in a few spots. If the frets on the SX were level it would seriously be in the same category of playability as any of the basses I've ever played. I also sanded down the neck and thinned the finish, so the SX has a nice broken-in satin-like feel.

All of that said, I'm seriously considering selling both the 55-02 and the RBV since I find myself playing the Jazz much more than anything else. With the money from the sale of these two I'll have more than enough money to try out an Audere in the 4-string and fix up the 5 string fretless SX I also have sitting in my living room.

Am I crazy or what?
 
ElBajista said:
I currently have some great basses sitting in my living room. One is my 55-02 which is already up for sale, and the other is my CAR Fender RBV I recently bought from user "Pickles." One other bass that's currently in the same room, is my 4-string SX '75C (the one with 3TS finish and the maple neck with black blocks and binding.)

(Some info on the SX: I recently overhauled the electronics by installing Dimarzio Model J's and wiring up a passive V/B/T harness with a Series/Parallel switch. I also have the bass strung with DR Lo-Riders.)

After playing all three today, I can honestly say that the 4-string SX is the one that just sings to me. The other two are fantastic playing and sounding basses, but I find that the simple, classic 4 string Jazz bass tone is what I love. Flip the switch into the Series setting, and I'm almost is P bass territory, but with more "growl." I'm sure that the combination of the Model J's and DR Lo-Rider is to account for the incredible amount of juicy low-mids.

The SX's output is much hotter than the other two basses (I have the 55-02's preamp set at the lowest gain level) and just seems so organic and natural. I find the 55-02 to be too "active" for me, and the RBV, while a Jazz-style bass, just doesn't have what I'm looking for.

When it comes to playability, the RBV and 55-02 naturally outplay the SX only in the fretwork category, as the SX could use some light leveling in a few spots. If the frets on the SX were level it would seriously be in the same category of playability as any of the basses I've ever played. I also sanded down the neck and thinned the finish, so the SX has a nice broken-in satin-like feel.

All of that said, I'm seriously considering selling both the 55-02 and the RBV since I find myself playing the Jazz much more than anything else. With the money from the sale of these two I'll have more than enough money to try out an Audere in the 4-string and fix up the 5 string fretless SX I also have sitting in my living room.

Am I crazy or what?
nah,not crazy,but i love my rbv,gain is low but the bass is really a pleasure to play.
 
ElBajista said:
I currently have some great basses sitting in my living room. One is my 55-02 which is already up for sale, and the other is my CAR Fender RBV I recently bought from user "Pickles." One other bass that's currently in the same room, is my 4-string SX '75C (the one with 3TS finish and the maple neck with black blocks and binding.)

(Some info on the SX: I recently overhauled the electronics by installing Dimarzio Model J's and wiring up a passive V/B/T harness with a Series/Parallel switch. I also have the bass strung with DR Lo-Riders.)

After playing all three today, I can honestly say that the 4-string SX is the one that just sings to me. The other two are fantastic playing and sounding basses, but I find that the simple, classic 4 string Jazz bass tone is what I love. Flip the switch into the Series setting, and I'm almost is P bass territory, but with more "growl." I'm sure that the combination of the Model J's and DR Lo-Rider is to account for the incredible amount of juicy low-mids.

The SX's output is much hotter than the other two basses (I have the 55-02's preamp set at the lowest gain level) and just seems so organic and natural. I find the 55-02 to be too "active" for me, and the RBV, while a Jazz-style bass, just doesn't have what I'm looking for.

When it comes to playability, the RBV and 55-02 naturally outplay the SX only in the fretwork category, as the SX could use some light leveling in a few spots. If the frets on the SX were level it would seriously be in the same category of playability as any of the basses I've ever played. I also sanded down the neck and thinned the finish, so the SX has a nice broken-in satin-like feel.

All of that said, I'm seriously considering selling both the 55-02 and the RBV since I find myself playing the Jazz much more than anything else. With the money from the sale of these two I'll have more than enough money to try out an Audere in the 4-string and fix up the 5 string fretless SX I also have sitting in my living room.

Am I crazy or what?

Do YOU think that you're crazy?

I think that you should play what speaks to you.

Perhaps, before you sell, you should get your SX worked on and see if you can get it to the playability standards that you want....but, if it becomes "the bass" then use it!

I have 2 basses right now that I use, a Yamaha I paid $150 for and a cheapo P-copy chinese auction-house special that I paid $80 for...my $800 carvin sits in a box under my bed, and my $300 wishbass is just now starting to get played out more...
my $500 P-copy a la cart bass is still in America and I haven't set eyes on her for almost 5 years.

In my opinion my $150 Yammy plays as good as anything I have ever played...and my $80 chinese cheapo P sounds as good as anything I have ever played in a P-bass.
 
I think that some of the gear-talk has gotten to me on here. I love my SX, and it's truly one of the best feeling basses that I've ever played, excepting the fret issues. It's also a bit on the heavy side, but I have a young back and I attribute the higher density to thicker tone. ;) If you took off the SX logo, you'd never guess that it's a <$200 bass with $100 worth of hardware and electronics.

I was thinking about using some of the money to possibly get someone here in Florida to level the frets, since I don't want to try and screw something up. Possibly the guys at BassCentral.....

I'm still on the fence about selling the RBV though. On the other hand, how many Jazz-style basses can you have?! My current bass list:

-Lakland 55-02 (Jazz-style, IMO, with the single-coil J and the MM pickup which is more like a JJ)

-Fender RBV (Jazz on steroids)

-SX 4 string Jazz

-SX 5 string jazz with interchangeable black blocked-and-bound neck and Rosewood fretless neck

-Johnson Jazz bass copy.

That's it, I need an EBMM and a P bass! :D
 
ElBajista said:
... I find the 55-02 to be too "active" for me ...
LB -

Can you explain more about what you mean by "too active?" I am actually looking for a bass that has a more "hi-fi" sound -- I'm trying to cop that "Modern Urban Gospel" tone. (The benchmark is a Ken Smith but it's way too expensive. I realize that the Peavey Cirrus is supposed to be the next best thing but I have yet to play a Cirrus that "speaks" to me.)

I'm wondering if the 55-02 may be the ticket and I'm interested in hearing more about the sound of your Lakland.
 
Not to hijack the thread, but to IotaNet I'd recommend buying a set of the Ken Smith (aka, Kent Armstrong) pickups and a Ken Smith preamp. I think he finally started to offer his pickups & electronics again for sale last year or so. As long as the pickup placement and neck/body woods are similar in whatever bass you buy, it should get you well inside the ballpark to the Smith tone.

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ElBajista, I say keep rockin the SX! :bassist: I still wish I had never gotten rid of mine, the natural finish '75 Jazz copy with black blocks - I too dropped in some DiMarzio Model J's - man that thing kicked! I got many compliments on the sound, more than a lot of "real" basses I've owned. If they carry that model ever again, I'm buying it and I won't let it get away again.
 
IotaNet said:
LB -

Can you explain more about what you mean by "too active?" I am actually looking for a bass that has a more "hi-fi" sound -- I'm trying to cop that "Modern Urban Gospel" tone. (The benchmark is a Ken Smith but it's way too expensive. I realize that the Peavey Cirrus is supposed to be the next best thing but I have yet to play a Cirrus that "speaks" to me.)

I'm wondering if the 55-02 may be the ticket and I'm interested in hearing more about the sound of your Lakland.

I'm not really sure what a "hifi" sound is. When I think of Hi-fi I think of "super bright."

Can you elaborate on the tone you're seeking?
 
Tom said:
Jazz Basses rock. :bassist: What are the SX neck shape and finish like?

The SX 4 string neck is somewhere between a J and P profile. It's not quite as thin fretboard-to-skunkstripe as a Jazz profile, but not as thick as a P profile. It's actually extremely comfortable.

The stock finish, however, is this really icky, goopy gloss finish. I sanded it down to a very thin finish with high-grit sandpaper, and now it still has some shine but a satin-like feel and is much "faster." I used to get hung up when sliding or changing positions quickly, because my skin would stick to the gloss finish.

Ever gotten knocked over while playing basketball and slid across the basketball court floor?;)
 
stingray69 said:
ElBajista, I say keep rockin the SX! :bassist: I still wish I had never gotten rid of mine, the natural finish '75 Jazz copy with black blocks - I too dropped in some DiMarzio Model J's - man that thing kicked! I got many compliments on the sound, more than a lot of "real" basses I've owned. If they carry that model ever again, I'm buying it and I won't let it get away again.

I know I'll never get rid of this bass. It's going to be my Funk Machine/BOD. I've already written something behind the neck heel.....:D

What did you do to the electronics? I love the passive tone, but I'm thinking about trying out an Audere or J-Retro. I've used J-Retro preamps before, but never an Audere. We'll see....
 
Make sure you try some Lo-Riders on the RBV before you move on from it. That could be a big part of what you're loving on the SX. The RBV gets a pretty convincing J-bass tone with both pups in single coil mode, and that low string is up there with the best of em.

But really, then only reason I keep trying to find a 5 that I really connect with is that I need it for my gigs. I do prefer my 4 string basses across the board, not just because they are 4's but because I really connect with each of them. And none are particularly expensive basses. '62RI P-bass, Hamer Cruise, and a '05 LE Sterling. All are just perfect at what they do.

So if your gigs don't require a 5'er ... don't bother! Strings cost more, amps that can go low cost more, its harder on your hands ... 4 strings R enuf :cool:
 
pickles said:
Make sure you try some Lo-Riders on the RBV before you move on from it. That could be a big part of what you're loving on the SX. The RBV gets a pretty convincing J-bass tone with both pups in single coil mode, and that low string is up there with the best of em.

I thought of this as well. Anyone have a spare 5 string set, or at least a B string? :D

pickles said:
But really, then only reason I keep trying to find a 5 that I really connect with is that I need it for my gigs. I do prefer my 4 string basses across the board, not just because they are 4's but because I really connect with each of them. And none are particularly expensive basses. '62RI P-bass, Hamer Cruise, and a '05 LE Sterling. All are just perfect at what they do.

So if your gigs don't require a 5'er ... don't bother! Strings cost more, amps that can go low cost more, its harder on your hands ... 4 strings R enuf :cool:

My sentiments exactly.

The only reason I moved to 5 string is because I play at Church, and all of those hymns in Eb were tricky to play with my 4 string. I'm thinking of just getting a D-tuner for my 4 string and be done with it! :D I never had to go lower than D on the 5 string anyway. Anything lower than that was just overpowering and out-of-place in the traditional Catholic hymn category.

(I'm actually considering a trade of my 55-02 for a Stingray, since I'd like to try out an EBMM bass for a while. I wish it was a Sterling, though....I love switches 'n options!)
 
ElBajista said:
I know I'll never get rid of this bass. It's going to be my Funk Machine/BOD. I've already written something behind the neck heel.....:D

What did you do to the electronics? I love the passive tone, but I'm thinking about trying out an Audere or J-Retro. I've used J-Retro preamps before, but never an Audere. We'll see....

I loved the passive tone - "as is" with just the DiMarzio's, I never got around to installing any type of active pre. Truth be told, I probably would have eventually 'cause I'm always tweaking and experimenting with tone options. That said, it's not because the straight DiMarzio J's in passive mode didn't rock on their own - they did!
 
El B,
I sure don't think your crazy at all. My main bass at the moment is a modded out Squier Jazz that I defretted, put Bartolini 9J1's with a Audere JZ3 preamp. I am currently waiting on a walnut dinky j body from Warmoth to arrive to replace the Squier body. I love the feel of the neck and it sounds amazing with pickup/pre combo strung with LaBella black tape flats. I have bought and sold many basses in the last couple of years because I keep coming back to this one. :smug:
just my 2 cents.
peace,
Brian
 
Human Bass said:
I have been thinking about trade my MIA Deluxe jazz for a Yamaha BB414...i guess im crazy too :rollno:

Yes, you are! I have a lefty Deluxe just like yours. I tried a Yamaha BB614 not too long ago, factory-fresh from and online retailer, and although I'm a Yamaha fan, I though that this new one were just too "bubget."

I keep an open multitrack recording of all the basses I but and sell, to compare, and I although the Yamaha keeps up easily with most others basses, it really felt cheap in my hands.

I would say try it, but don't sell the Deluxe first to get the BB. ;)
 
ElBajista said:
I think that some of the gear-talk has gotten to me on here. If you took off the SX logo, you'd never guess that it's a <$200 bass with $100 worth of hardware and electronics.

Everyone needs to let this sink in. I used to have all kinds of expensive gear. I now play basses that were $400 or less. They sound every bit as good as my Modulus, Smith, etc.

Don't let all the gear talk make up your mind for you. If everyone here was really honest, they would agree that for most gigs, they have gear that goes above and beyond what they really NEED. Most of your audience doesn't give a rip about what gear you use, as long as you are playing a nice line they can groove to.

And that's fine. Not everyone has the same gigs, needs or available financing.
 
ElBajista said:
The only reason I moved to 5 string is because I play at Church, and all of those hymns in Eb were tricky to play with my 4 string. I'm thinking of just getting a D-tuner for my 4 string and be done with it! :D


Well, you don't need a D-tuner to tune to D ;) you could try it a few times and see how you like it. Drop-D is fine for me as long as its a "part" that I know and have worked out. Improv on drop D freaks me out.

You could also detune the whole bass a half step, which not only gets you the range you need but typically also yields a fatter sound, and your Ebs would be open which would probably make everything easier on you.