I did spend five minutes with him, and he was humble and gracious in that particular moment. Later on he became extremely ill and that destroyed him. Nobody wants to be around someone when they are in that condition.
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Jaco the world greatest bass player ...
- Thread starter michael nieves
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What? I said he had lots of amazing days as a player and you think that needs countering? I don't understand... How is that me being negative and needing to look beyond his bluster. It was a compliment. What?
if there are a million bass players in this world, I can only think of a few I'd want to meet. Healthy, Happy, Gracious or not, Jaco wouldn't be one of them. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate his playing. It just means I wouldn't have any interest in meeting him.
Why would I research the history of the bass guitar and it's players? I play. I play the music I listen to. I play music that my friends and family listen to. Taking a course on the history of bass guitar is not a prerequisite to grabbing the thing and doing your best. That being said, no one in my circle of friends or family has ever asked me to play a Jaco piece, play like Jaco or ever mentioned his name.
Are all my friends and family musical idiots? Or is it that we do we not belong to a snobbish clique who worship a player that is most likely amazing but is not a well known outside of select bass circles.
That is why he's not the GOAT.
How would you know? You don't appear to be interested in the history of the instrument and learning from past masters? I guess you must be a true original or something else!
I don't think Signalsdrone deserves to be slagged just because he professes no enthusiasm for a particular player.
Not really slagging him off, just questioning his ability to have an opinion about Jaco when he has no interest in the history of the Bass. Jaco's influence on bass playing was immense.
This is your 2nd post ever on TB.
Euh...welcome to the.....ah never mind.....
Sounded like a joke to me...
I think his opinion was: "I'd never heard of him prior to coming to TalkBass".
For that he got slagged.
For that he got slagged.
If he doesn't know him or his music, then he can't have an opinion.
Unless the fact of him personally not knowing him, immediately disqualifies Jaco as whatever he is discussing. But, he's not the centre of the Universe, so his opinion of something he completely ignores is irrelevant.
Unless the fact of him personally not knowing him, immediately disqualifies Jaco as whatever he is discussing. But, he's not the centre of the Universe, so his opinion of something he completely ignores is irrelevant.
I think unless you are into that era of jazz, not knowing who Jaco is isn't that big of a deal.
My introduction to jazz in the late 70's was Brubeck , Coltrane, and Miles Davis. I didn't learn about Jaco until well into the 80's.
And I didn't hear about him from other bassists, it was drummers and horn players that raved about him.
Go figure.
My introduction to jazz in the late 70's was Brubeck , Coltrane, and Miles Davis. I didn't learn about Jaco until well into the 80's.
And I didn't hear about him from other bassists, it was drummers and horn players that raved about him.
Go figure.
So, if one never heard of Parker, Coltrane, Shorter or Rollins, then the best sax player in the world must be Kenny G?
That doesn't make any sense.
That doesn't make any sense.
True. Michael Bolton doesn't play sax.
Nice edit.
And, if you read what I said , I never mentioned who was greatest at anything.
If you don't read 60's science fiction, would you know who Stanislaw Lem is?
I don't.
Ahah, yes, I wrote Michael Bolton first! Must be the hair!
Ok, you allowed him that. You're previous text was questioning whether he had good days at all. I should have answered that one instead. My bad. Look man, don't get riled. Obviously, we don't see Jaco the same way, but that's ok. Cool. You wouldn't want to meet him. No big. No diss on you buddy, you gave him his due and I missed it. Peace out.
if you and/or your tribe have no interest in musical history, carry on and live a good life.
but please don't imply that people who have listened to the music for forty years and happen to be aware that a certain musician existed and happen to think that musician had an impact on he music are a "snobbish clique."
there's really very little less attractive than "reverse snobbishness," where someone slags everything they're not into as "snobbishness" or "elitism." that poopie was old when we were all fresh and new on this rock, and it isn't getting any younger.
now about never having heard of him. you don't have to have heard of him. billions of people have never heard of Miles Davis. Or JS Bach. or Aretha Franklin. or Joni Mitchell. or Gordon Lightfoot. or all kinds of historically important figures in "Western" music.
that doesn't make them unimportant. and critically, that doesn't mean all those people haven't been affected by the musicians they've never heard of. if your family have never asked you for a miles davis tune, and don't know who he was, that doesn't mean your family has never heard and liked someone influenced by miles davis.
in 2020, it's nearly impossible to listen to electric bass players and not hear Jaco's influence. that's how music works, people influence each other. i'd bet you've also been influenced, whether you are aware of it or not. if you're curious about looking back and finding out how we got hear, great. if you aren't, also great.
it isn't a requirement.
Oh, I don't know. Curiosity? It's ok to be incurious. It's not ok to be proudly and willfully ignorant. You're not someone who cares to learn about the things you're interested in? That's fine, though it shows a very limited amount of actual interest. But bragging about that doesn't make you look good; you would do better to keep that to yourself.
That's really the only point I'm making here. You asked what "this says", and I gave you an answer you were not expecting, which you are free to like or not. I personally don't care if you do.
