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Jeff Berlin banned from TB?

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Joshua Pickenpaugh said:
How did JB get banned from TB? Just curious here, since I was out of the TB loop for a while before coming back recently. I remember him being opinionated, but educational nonetheless. Thanks all!. -JP
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I seem to remember that Jeff Berlin was opinionated ... which is fine ... but was not diplomatic about how he expressed those opinions. I am also opinionated, but I am also comfortable with the fact that others disagree with my opinions.
 
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I started out not being a fan at all of Jeff's. I always believed that musically he gave a lot of great advice, and he played great, but was so dogmatic and egotistical about it that I felt compelled to speak about it. I also thought that he took an extremely cheap shot at Jaco in BP by pointing out that he wasn't good at improvising and the songs he wrote like "Havona" weren't improvised (duh!). But then Jeff got wind of it and attacked the hell out of me, which I probably deserved. I would still trade barbs with him for a couple months, though ;) But then I think we discovered that we agreed more than we disagreed and I felt really bad about bumming him out, so eventually we became internet pals. I still hang on his Facebook page sometimes, too. Sometimes he still infuriates me, like when he attacked Amy Winehouse for being an average pop singer on the day she died (before drugs burned her out, she was a brilliant jazz singer who also played a pretty decent rhythm guitar). But he's entitled to his opinion.

He says he had an epiphany about his behavior a few years ago and discusses openly the struggles he's had to change himself, such as getting counseling, and sometimes he'll have lapses, but he's really trying to work out his demons, so I give him all credit for realizing his old path only served to turn people off. It's not an easy thing for a guy like Jeff to change his ways, but he's working on it, so I salute him for it. He's really not such a bad guy...just way too intense about music for his own good.
 
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Spirit of Ox said:
To answer the OP's question about Jeff Berlin. I did some research and looked at the history of JB here on Talkbass and read a lot of the posts. Jeff is very opinionated about his teaching, learning, and practicing of the bass. There were some heated arguments between him, other TBers and Moderators. It got to the point were he was banned and than made another account which is against the rules too. It's worth doing a search and reading up about what happened. If anything, it's entertaining nonetheless.
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Oh yeah, the booboojeffy character ruled!
 
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Meh. There are better people to emulate both professionally and personally. No great loss. The guy had a notorious case of "why aint I more famous. I am so great and no one notices it." How about that Adam Nitti folks?! Class act, shares his knowledge freely, and keeps his opinions to himself!!
 
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JimmyM said:
I started out not being a fan at all of Jeff's. I always believed that musically he gave a lot of great advice, and he played great, but was so dogmatic and egotistical about it that I felt compelled to speak about it. I also thought that he took an extremely cheap shot at Jaco in BP by pointing out that he wasn't good at improvising and the songs he wrote like "Havona" weren't improvised (duh!). But then Jeff got wind of it and attacked the hell out of me, which I probably deserved. I would still trade barbs with him for a couple months, though ;) But then I think we discovered that we agreed more than we disagreed and I felt really bad about bumming him out, so eventually we became internet pals. I still hang on his Facebook page sometimes, too. Sometimes he still infuriates me, like when he attacked Amy Winehouse for being an average pop singer on the day she died (before drugs burned her out, she was a brilliant jazz singer who also played a pretty decent rhythm guitar). But he's entitled to his opinion.

He says he had an epiphany about his behavior a few years ago and discusses openly the struggles he's had to change himself, such as getting counseling, and sometimes he'll have lapses, but he's really trying to work out his demons, so I give him all credit for realizing his old path only served to turn people off. It's not an easy thing for a guy like Jeff to change his ways, but he's working on it, so I salute him for it. He's really not such a bad guy...just way too intense about music for his own good.
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Credit should be given when one steps up and admits their mistakes. I think you're spot on, but I wasn't aware of the Amy Winehouse comment. Love her or hate her, to say she was a nominal talent would be like calling blue red. It's stuff like this that puts people in an almost jealous light. Jeff is an incredibly accomplished musician but his negativity almost painted him as someone who was frustrated that their achievements hadn't been noticed on a grander scale. We all say and do things at times that can betray our normally good nature. Sometimes we say and do things that display exactly the kind of person we are. The internet and print publications rarely distinguish the two and I think while Jeff said some asinine things, he was partly a victim of that. Or maybe a victim of himself.
 
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petrus61 said:
Credit should be given when one steps up and admits their mistakes. I think you're spot on, but I wasn't aware of the Amy Winehouse comment. Love her or hate her, to say she was a nominal talent would be like calling blue red. It's stuff like this that puts people in an almost jealous light. Jeff is an incredibly accomplished musician but his negativity almost painted him as someone who was frustrated that their achievements hadn't been noticed on a grander scale. We all say and do things at times that can betray our normally good nature. Sometimes we say and do things that display exactly the kind of person we are. The internet and print publications rarely distinguish the two and I think while Jeff said some asinine things, he was partly a victim of that. Or maybe a victim of himself.
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some people just cannot come to grips with things - imagine Jeff feeling jealous of anyone - if Bill Bruford wanted me in his band, i'd be pretty darn happy about it for the rest of my life
 
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Funny how you can be the greatest musician/athlete/business person etcetera, but treat others with disrespect, and you lose a huge portion of your following. There was a famous bassist that I interacted with online when the internet was fairly new. I thought it was a hugely gratifying experience to be able to learn at his feet. Posts were fascinating, and his overall attitude toward music and theory... Then he started being abrasive with certain people on the discussion forum at the time, and I stopped seeing him in the same light. In fact, I think I inadvertently stopped following him entirely. Whenever I would think of his attitude toward certain people in this threads, I lost interest in his music. I haven't purchased one of his CD's since. Not out of protest, just the thought of the arrogance sort of unconsciouly led me not to care as much about his music anymore.
 
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David Jayne said:
Jeff was his usual argumentative self and got a bit rude with Fergie Fulton. When corrected for it he 'went off' on the mods, bad words, insults, the whole shebang. Pretty sure he knew he'd be banned and didn't seem to care. Unfortunate. Here's what did him in. Fill in the blanks.
Jeff Berlin is Back, But for How Long? Drumrole, Please! | TalkBass.com
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OMG....totally forgot about this one. Thank you so much for finding it. A classic. That one thread transitioned me from being ambivalent about JB to total disdain and pity.
 
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