Jeff Berlin Speaks

[tzohn]

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[arbiterusa]

With all his issues I wonder if Jaco would have been banned.

He managed to be enough of an ******* so as to bait someone into beating him to death. I think Jaco wouldn't have lasted a day on the internet.

 

[the yeti]

With all his issues I wonder if Jaco would have been banned.

surely. and he'd only need 4 posts.

 

[Sixgunn]

See.. YOu must have waaay too much time on your hands to type such a long worded post.. Good for you. I'm sorry, but i don't have time to read any of it...
I will say that you type much better than i ever could.. good job!

Don't lie. You read it

 

[svtb15]

I dont Lie.. I say it as i see it..

Don't lie. You read it

 

[Sixgunn]

I dont Lie.. I say it as i see it..

I think the lesson here is that we all see things in our own way and posturing as if one has exclusivity on the "right" view is pretty much, guaranteed failure.

 

[Sixgunn]

Wondering at the 10th page of this; is Jeff Berlin's constant 'voicing of opinion' etc. really even a bit more than just a little light entertainment for anyone here?
For me it isn't and I am surprised that this could become such a long thread...

Why would you be surprised?

 

[cnltb]

Why would you be surprised?

Well, I guess you have a point.

 

[Sixgunn]

If I were to have had a chance to take bass lessons from a bass player, it would have been a real bass player like Carol Kaye, Duck Dunn, or Johnny Flippin.

What are your qualifications to make this proclamation?

 

[Sixgunn]

Contrast guys like Scott Devine and Jim Stinnett, who are artful teachers who really show it's about the person, not the attainment of greatness. They care about players, and want to teach them to improve, not berate them for their perceived inferiority.

I don't know who Jim Stinnett is but +1,000,000 on Scott Devine!! What a class act!

 

[Plutonium244]

That seems to be mine every year, whether I'm aware of it or not.

I don't know how old you are, but I kind of think that, to an extent, becoming more af an a-hole every year is really just caring less what other people think.... a sign of age

What are your qualifications to make this proclamation?

Yeah, it's a bit over the top and too far-reaching, but who wouldn't benefit form a 45 minute skype lesson with Carol Kaye?

Now that someone posted that (though I was aware, I am reminded) I really am tempted to do this. You'd probably find out in that 45 minutes whether it would help you to have another 45 minute lesson with her. Hell, just watching her vids on her website where she talks about playing bass are very educational.

 

[GregC]

I COMPLETELY agree with your statement up to that "sort of eccentric" point.
I would not use the "diplomatic" expressions to describe Jeff's "normal to many humans" social skills.

Ayup. Especially after reading John Turner's summation of what happened here (in a thread linked some pages back). If anyone who doesn't get why JB ended up banned after reading that, I don't get them...

 

[Dr. Cheese]

With all his issues I wonder if Jaco would have been banned.

No doubt, he would have been banned. As Downbeat said about a memorial concert, "most the musicians playing there would not have come anywhere near Jaco during the last years of his life."

 

[RED J]

having that information become a part of you, a part of your daily life, automatically gives you skills and concepts in your mind, hands and fingers that show up during performance. I decided to give it a try and started studying jazz techniques and the various modes and in a few short months my playing at local blues jams had improved dramatically. I was playing riffs and harmonies basically by ear. What I heard my fingers echoed.

I'll second this. I didn't hear it from J.B., but when I recently started doing the same, the point was made that then we go from learning songs to learning music, which means we don't have to dig so deep to come up with musical statements because it becomes internalized. But the same teacher made the point not to let theory get in the way of your playing. Play what you know, while you grow. You don't have to know everything or be a virtuoso all at once to be a solid player. That's a lot more constructive than speaking down to someone.

 

[gregbackstrom]

It reads like Jeff had a big New Year's epiphany.
I had a mini-epiphany of my own for New Years, so I can relate.

I'm gonna wait until Epiphany for my epiphany! (That's today, BTW ...)

 

[Commreman]

My personal experience with jeff at the Players School was detailed here: My Experience at the One Week Intensive, Players School of Music

 

[Joe Nerve]

I hope he's allowed and chooses to come back, and I'm the last guy who'd be saying that before this thread. I'm all about giving people second, even third chances. We all need them at some point or another in our lives. Would also give him a chance to live up to his words.

 

[Marial]

I hope he's allowed and chooses to come back, and I'm the last guy who'd be saying that before this thread. I'm all about giving people second, even third chances. We all need them at some point or another in our lives. Would also give him a chance to live up to his words.

It would certainly be a test for him to come back here, given what I've seen in this thread.

 

[Plutonium244]

I haven't read it all, but it seems like the worst I've heard is "well, talk is talk, let's see how the walk is" which I think is fair. I'd guess he'd think so as well.

The funny part is that even though this thread is (kind of) about JB's bad behavior (which I was unaware of before today) it has made me more interested in his music education. Checking out his website as I type this. "Chord Tone" approach, hm.

 

[Whousedtoplay]

Checking out his website as I type this. "Chord Tone" approach, hm.

Could you explain JB's motto,
"In music, the rules were never meant to be broken. They were meant to followed!" - Jeff Berlin.