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JP Basses 12-string all finished!

#143
Garry Goodman said:
His playing needs a lot of work,the player in this video should consider the purchase of a metronome,the technique is sloppy.
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Seems to be a trend among players today, not just tappers. There seems to be quite a bit of confusion about what "proper" technique really is and a lack of emphasis on proper technique in general. Not to mention that there are tons of instructional videos and online lessons out there by people that play poorly or don't describe technique adequately enough.

I think that a general lack of good technique is a big part of why there is so little respect from classically trained musicians directed toward electric guitarists and bassists. Who wants to listen to someone who tries to play faster than their brain and hands can coordinate, plays with sloppy technique, and also doesn't know the first thing about phrasing, articulation, and dynamics? I know I don't.

-Pete
 
#145
Garry Goodman said:
This is the same guy that did donna lee that got slammed a few months ago.What made him decide to cover Donna Lee and Maple Leaf? Hmmm...........I tried to encourage him. But he had the same problems with Donna Lee.
His playing needs a lot of work,the player in this video should consider the purchase of a metronome,the technique is sloppy. the original piano voicings are lost, the melody was written to be played in octaves .
It's a condensed arrangement.The thing that makes it a disaster is....the rag relies on Stride bass.Stride bass takes a lot of practice .It sounds like S#@t without the proper distance between bass note and chords.What makes this Jean's tapping approach?

The point of playing Joplin on 12-string is so it sounds like the piano part.This developes skill and musicianship .Ragtime has a certain syncopated feel and has to be played correctly.This takes practice.

To keep this on topic,JP crafted a 12-string ,which allows the bassist to play music where it is written so "The Maple Leaf Rag" sounds as it should.That way a bass player can use his bass chops to experience music in a way he might never be able to by only playing a 5-string bass. Who cares about who wants to listen ragtime ,
who wants to listen to Bach or Mario? It's about musicianship.
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This all seems a tad hypocritical of you to say in light of your Bach arrangement video on your website.. in a span of 30 seconds there were a couple of failed notes.. A few notes coming out dead or weak seem to pop up once in a while even in the recordings of even the most esteemed two-hand tappers. Obviously they occur less often with more experience, but anyways, it reminds me of that Bible verse... removing the plank from your own eye before you remove the splinter from someone else's.. or something like that. Obviously, advising those with less experience is a good thing, but there's a not so fine line between bashing and providing solicited advice. To me, the ragtime video was pretty enjoyable. His technique, while imperfect, was pretty good, and was obviously the product of meticulous practice, and thus is obviously going to continue improving. And I get the impression that many others agree. Of course, I agree with you about his time. Either way, from what I've seen of your posts, many seem to have a condescending air about them. I'm not trying to get anyone steaming at the ears, but is there something about bashing the nice, if not historically accurate, rendition of a piece played by some kid on the internet that gives you satisfaction? I recognize that you're an accomplished player from your recordings and reputation, but I don't see why that means you have to try to patronize others.




Anyways... brilliant work on that bass, JP, I wouldn't know where to begin on it, but it's obviously a masterpiece.
 
#147
carved czech said:
Fantastic thing. Imagine, the first itallian bassess (DB) were only 3- stringed !
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Yet the origin of the DB is the viola da gamba, with 6 strings and frets... so then that makes me ultra-conservative... :ninja:

McHack said:
I'm not one to bash ERB's, and yes its gorgeous, and I'm sure it sounds absolutely wonderful, & I bet it plays orgasmicly.

But DAMN, that just seems a bit over the top.
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Even as an ERBist, I have to agree.
For me, even 6 is far from mastering.
The neck size, weight, fret access, sympathetic ringing of notes... makes me shiver.
Good luck guys, I'm happy with just a six for now :smug:
 
#149
Pete,

These are all EXCELLENT points! ;)

JT

CurbowPete said:
Seems to be a trend among players today, not just tappers. There seems to be quite a bit of confusion about what "proper" technique really is and a lack of emphasis on proper technique in general. Not to mention that there are tons of instructional videos and online lessons out there by people that play poorly or don't describe technique adequately enough.

I think that a general lack of good technique is a big part of why there is so little respect from classically trained musicians directed toward electric guitarists and bassists. Who wants to listen to someone who tries to play faster than their brain and hands can coordinate, plays with sloppy technique, and also doesn't know the first thing about phrasing, articulation, and dynamics? I know I don't.

-Pete
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#152
Man, that is amazing. Jean, I think you should get a big award for having the nicest ERB (and maybe even overall) collection out there. Or maybe we could cut down a tree and put some strings on it :D Oh wait...already been done :ninja:

Where is everyone meeting Jean? Was there some GTG I was not informed of? Europe perhaps?

Great bass, congrats to Jean and JP for a work of art.

Peace
 
#153
nivek said:
Why not get a piano ????? Well that's right, and why did YOU get a bass whereas you can play basslines on a tuba or bass-clarinet ?

Actually, can you slide, bend, play harmonics and ghost notes, fingerstyle, slap or tap on a piano ?

The musicians we are talking about here are bass players in heart. This is the instrument they prefer to express themselves with. Extending their range is just like getting a larger flat... getting more space to live in.

I was at the masterclass saturday, the JP-12 sounded great, and I did not hear anything sounding like playing piano.
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I think you missed the joke bro.
 

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