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#61
This is the amp I'm talking about in my post. You can pick this type of used Peavey gear on Craigslist for a minimal investment. This used to my amp. It works great in his living room AKA The Jam Room.

However, this thing wouldn't stand a chance against a 100 watt half stack.
 

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#62
heynorm said:
In a room that small high volume will get old real fast and you find what levels work togher. I'd go with that Ampeg. Do you want to create music or make loud noise?
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I'm not a bass player, but I am also not a rookie. I know the difference between noise and music. My brother will adjust his levels on the Marshall accordingly. I don't have the money to set the room up so everything is perfect. Right now though, I am going with reasonable gear that people can have fun with, I'm not trying to win a Grammy award. My bro fell in love with the Marshall and neither he, nor I, have much money, so it's sticking around.
 
#63
There is nothing at all inherently wrong with a 100 watt marshall. It's just that some players lack self control.

FWIW, my guitar player runs a JCM2000 and a 412. He made himself a little dough before the housing market crashed and bought himself what is considered in many circles to be "the rig".

The dude is so controlled when it comes to volume I mic him and put him in the mains AND monitors at even the smallest of gigs. I even tell him to turn up sometimes and he still pulls a nice tone out of that thing. It sounds nice everywhere and he can still slay dragons with it if he so desires.

People have knee-jerk reactions to big guitar amps, but it's not the amps fault, it's the operators.
 
#64
will33 said:
There is nothing at all inherently wrong with a 100 watt marshall. It's just that some players lack self control.

FWIW, my guitar player runs a JCM2000 and a 412. He made himself a little dough before the housing market crashed and bought himself what is considered in many circles to be "the rig".

The dude is so controlled when it comes to volume I mic him and put him in the mains AND monitors at even the smallest of gigs. I even tell him to turn up sometimes and he still pulls a nice tone out of that thing. It sounds nice everywhere and he can still slay dragons with it if he so desires.

People have knee-jerk reactions to big guitar amps, but it's not the amps fault, it's the operators.
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100% right! Thats exactly the fear here. That the guitarist will blow everybody out of the water in less than 2 seconds.
Of course you always HOPE that reason and sanity will win out but you cant always guarantee it.
Especially when the music that's going to be played is NOT soft mellow jazz and country- the OP mentioned GNR and some other loud heavy bands that they'll be jamming on. Its real easy to see them start blasting Welcome to The Jungle and everybody starts nudging the volume a little higher, and higher and so on.
 
#65
will33 said:
People have knee-jerk reactions to big guitar amps, but it's not the amps fault, it's the operators.
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amps don't kill, people do :hiding::D

I'll also +1 on the rest, I'm now working with a guitarist who uses the full JCM/4-12 rig and the band sometimes has to strain to hear him on stage. And we play music that's very easy to get into volume wars over. Not him, though. And the tone is still fantastic. So it can be done.

+1 that Ampeg should be quite adequate for the OP's needs.
 
#66
kjpollo said:
100% right! Thats exactly the fear here. That the guitarist will blow everybody out of the water in less than 2 seconds.
Of course you always HOPE that reason and sanity will win out but you cant always guarantee it.
Especially when the music that's going to be played is NOT soft mellow jazz and country- the OP mentioned GNR and some other loud heavy bands that they'll be jamming on. Its real easy to see them start blasting Welcome to The Jungle and everybody starts nudging the volume a little higher, and higher and so on.
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Yeah, I can see that.:D

I've played with plenty of loud guitars before, some because they were just young and not as experienced yet, and some in their 50's who swore they had to for some reason...and they did have to just to hear because they've made themselves half deaf over the years from doing it.

Playing loud is fun but there's good loud and bad loud. Some has to do with having good tone, not piercing and harsh, and some has to do with being the right amount of loud, enough to demand attention but not enough to send the audience fleeing towards the exits. If we want to enjoy music, or be able to have a conversation without yelling when we're old, we stick to the good loud.
 
#67
Basically it depends on whether you're saying the amp is "enough" on the basis of the room it's in and the role (practice amp) it has to fill, or whether you're saying it's "enough" on the basis of the guitarist having a 100w Marshall.

The amp is enough and more than enough to practice with in a 17'x12' room. You could probably play small gigs with it.

It will not keep up with the Marshall amp IF the Marshall is being pushed to its full capacity.

But if the Marshall is pushed to its full capacity in a room that small, and you start blasting a 500w bass head through 4x10s just to keep up, you won't need to worry, because you will all go deaf and never have to worry about hearing anything ever again.

In practice, the guitarist will need to keep his volume in check, and the bass amp will be fine. When you get out of the practice space and start playing actual public gigs, that's when it will be time to get the 500w head and the 4x10s.
 
#69
It's really going to depend on you and how hard you want to hit. If you tend to play on the loudish side of things, by the time everyone sets volume levels to hear themselves and get a decent mix in your space that amp will struggle to keep up. I've played in a similar situation and tried to cover it with a 150 Watt/1-15 combo and spent a good part of my time fighting the amp and constantly trying to get the other players down to my max level. This was a weekly for fun/blow off steam situation with 100W half stack and beer involved. Volumes tend to creep up in these situations. I didn't see vocals mentioned. If you plan to have them, that will be another thing that amp will have to compete with unless you also run into whatever is going to serve as the PA and it will handle bass well. Given the style of music and the nature of the situation, I would say that amp alone/as-is probably is not enough. Good luck. Sounds like you guys are going to have some fun...
 
#71
I don't know enough to say if it's enough, but I played my Fender BXR 100 with a few buddies and their set up was MUUUUUUUCH more gig appropriate, much more power and it literally made me feel like I walked in with one of those battery powered pocket amps you can clip on your belt. :D

BUT,,,,,........We made out just fine, guitar was adjusted to make it work and it went well.
I was finally able to see just how far my little 100 watter would go and I definitely want more, but it worked out fine.
I later ran it through an Older Ampeg SVT on a 6x10, but that was hours later once it arrived.

I will say I had looked at those Ampeg 150's and for the price they're asking I'd be getting that whether it worked for your space or not.
I personally couldn't find one for under $300, seems like a good buy to me. But I know very little about all of this, just sharing my opinions. Take them as you wish .
 
#73
dhsierra1 said:
amps don't kill, people do :hiding::D

I'll also +1 on the rest, I'm now working with a guitarist who uses the full JCM/4-12 rig and the band sometimes has to strain to hear him on stage. And we play music that's very easy to get into volume wars over. Not him, though. And the tone is still fantastic. So it can be done.

+1 that Ampeg should be quite adequate for the OP's needs.
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Welcome.....you are now a member of a very exclusive club. So exclusive in fact many peoples life experiences lead them to believe such a situation could never exist in our physical world and could only be but a pipe dream. Take comfort in this, and feel empathy towards those who may never experience such joy.:D



Really, it feels good to be able to say, "hey man, you could stand to turn up a little bit".

I also like putting a little of my guy in the wedges. It makes this cool sort of all-over-the-stage guitar sound that's nice, easy to hear, sounds kinda "stereo" even though it's not and doesn't blast from one spot.

I also like guitar when it's good. It's really not the spawn of satan it can be made out to be here sometimes.:D
 
#74
+1 on the THD Yellowjackets and the attenuator. If the Marshall doesn't have a power level switch on the back, you may be able to remove the outer pair of output tubes, which will cut the output in half. Check with a trustworthy amp tech about your particular model before doing this. I have a Weber attenuator and it has worked really well for me. Some basic sound deadening in the room should help as well. The old school (and cheapest) way that I know of is to get some thick carpet remnants and put them onthe walls and floor. Bass traps are pretty easy to build, but they cost more. Above all else, maintaining civility in everyone's volume levels is key. Just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree.
 
#75
From what i am reading, it does not sound like egos are going to get in the way of a good volume mix. Just watch out! Even with the best intentions...there are times when you are really in the groove, volume levels can rise! Just set clear ground rules up front and be cool about enforcing them. Hope y'all have a great time!
 
#76
Baer said:
There is a lot of good info people are giving you. The attenuator is almost a must-do. The bass amp you're considering will work fine.

I think your biggest issue will be the 7 ft ceiling which will create a very boomy bass response. Put half of your panels on the ceiling. Even then, if they're not 6 inches thich, they may not help very much. And try a lot of different locations in the room for placing the bass amp to minimize the problem.

(Edit: Written while Will33 was posting. We are on the same wavelength.)
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I'm still wondering how it is I read all 3 dimensions, yet still estimated a 4th one for the ceiling height, but yeah.......you're thinking what I'm trying to thinking......:smug:
 

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