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Just opened up my 210MBE...

#141
I do have to say in the cabs I've liked, there's been some stuffing and in the one 2x10 cab I had that EV speakers couldn't even help: not stuffed.

Question: I think this thread contradicted itself saying it can boost volume as well is it will suck some volume. Which is it?

Not trying to split hairs, the reason I ask, I have a cheap new Acoustic combo which is great for solo practicing, but gets alittle "honky" when I turn it up with a full band.
 
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BillyIVbass said:
Question: I think this thread contradicted itself saying it can boost volume as well is it will suck some volume. Which is it?
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Both. In an unlined cab reflected waves off the internal panels arrive back at the cone at various angles of phase, and that causes some frequencies to be boosted, some to be attenuated, while some are not affected at all. Lining the cab absorbs those reflections and prevents response peaks and valleys.
 
#144
I can't believe I never opened this thread to see what was going on until today.:D

1st, I don't have any experience whatsoever with the MB combo's/cabs or whatever they are but that doesn't much matter in this case.

I thought this way of doing things ended in the 70's judging by old cabs I've picked up at garage sales, craigslist, sitting on the side of the road with some other junk, etc. I've run across some that didn't but old Peavey's, EV's, off-brand/no-name stuff still at least had a piece of carpet padding or insulation like is in your house or something stuck in there.

Apparently this is common in markbass and some other stuff as well? I don't get that as a costcutting thing. You can get stuff like mattress foam or whatever in pretty big pieces for little money at retail. At wholesale prices, I can't see getting a big roll of this stuff and having some chinese dude staple it in for 30 cents an hour being that expensive over a run of 100 cabs/1000 cabs/whatever. The more zero's you add, each one gets cheaper.

Does it put me off to GK, not really because I've never owned their cabs and probably won't. I've always really liked their amps and still do. It is lame skipping such basic, proven build techniques.

You could always say, "leave it alone because we designed it that way and that's how it's designed to work because we designed it to work that way."

Should've cheaped out somewhere else in the chain.

You've seen those see-through plexiglass guitars? I've often thought of doing a cab like that but you can't get around not being able to see through the lining and the lining has to stay.
 
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I am still waiting for the MBE to arrive on UK shores but I think I will put some sort of lining in, will try it out as it is first and then experiment with it until I get the sound I like, it may well sound better unlined-who knows ??
I was thinking of attaching the lining with velcro first until I have found the optimum amount required, I am looking for some of that cardboard backed egg box type sponge packing stuff .
 
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GRAHAM SG1 said:
I was thinking of attaching the lining with velcro first until I have found the optimum amount required
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There is no optimum amount per se, what matters is having as close to complete coverage as is practical, to eliminate internal reflections. With sealed cabs different thicknesses can be useful.
It is lame skipping such basic, proven build techniques.
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+1. One might make the argument that 'if you want a better cab buy a better cab', but where cabinet damping is concerned it should no more be left out than should a car be sold with tires as 'optional equipment'.
 
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will33 said:
You've seen those see-through plexiglass guitars? I've often thought of doing a cab like that but you can't get around not being able to see through the lining and the lining has to stay.
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Check out the cabs behind this fellow.

Is it me or is there something 'different' about this guys bass?
 

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Derek Kiernan said:
What's your view on applications within guitar cabinets? I'm about ready to crack open a friend's ported Egnater 1x12 to see what's going on in there :smug:
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The physics are the same. Some players might prefer the highly colored sound of an unlined cab. Some people like Brussels Sprouts too. :rollno:
 
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Most guitar speakers distort so much they are just loaded with tone without screwing around with any reflections from in the cabinet. I'm betting they will like it better with the lining, if they use quality speakers :)

Guitar tone is such a crazy thing, I am glad I never got into chasing that tone dragon :P
 
#153
Yeah, I have no doubts at all that it would improve performance. My question was really if it was recommended in the same sense, as guitar players as a group have love for all sorts of interactions that are terrible for clean tones.

Since we're on the topic... Bill, would you recommend any particular smaller (than ten inch) drivers for guitar? I'd appreciate any more guitar-specific discussions on good speaker cabinet design that you could point me to. The bass community can likely better address these types of questions than guitar community in general.
 
#154
Derek Kiernan said:
Bill, would you recommend any particular smaller (than ten inch) drivers for guitar?
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Not really. The driver industry builds what sells, and what sells for guitar is primarily twelves, a few tens and fifteens. Eights would work far better, a 4x8 vertical array would be awesome. But no one would buy it. When it comes to judging gear by looks rather than results guitar'd players are even worse than bass players.
 
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billfitzmaurice said:
Not really. The driver industry builds what sells, and what sells for guitar is primarily twelves, a few tens and fifteens. Eights would work far better, a 4x8 vertical array would be awesome. But no one would buy it. When it comes to judging gear by looks rather than results guitar'd players are even worse than bass players.
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I read somewhere a while ago that a guitarist's by chance experiment with an old Traynor 4x8 PA column resulted in T' making this from 1972 - 1979:

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YGM-4 Studio Mate

"Basically this was a YGM-3 with 4 8" speakers, the same as the ones used in PA columns. Sound was surprisingly rich."
 
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billfitzmaurice said:
Not really. The driver industry builds what sells, and what sells for guitar is primarily twelves, a few tens and fifteens. Eights would work far better, a 4x8 vertical array would be awesome. But no one would buy it. When it comes to judging gear by looks rather than results guitar'd players are even worse than bass players.
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Bill, I gotta ask about the guitar thing as I play me some guitar on the side. If the best sounding guitar tones (subjective of course) came from 12s, how can you say that 8s would be inherently better? I can't think of any recorded examples of guitar tones I love coming from 8s, that I know of. Does anyone have prototype recordings that sound better? Have you built one? Not baiting, I really want to know.
 

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