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LAKLAND OWNERS GROUP #50!!!
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I posted on the 01 thread, but maybe there's not enough traffic. I was thinking this is Lakland-specific enough to try the Lakland threads first...
I have the LH-3 preamp that I'm wanting to use to replace the MK1 pre in my 55-01. It's from a 55-02 and the switch was clipped out.
I'm probably going to leave to MK1 pickups in for a little while.
Even though I've looked at other people and thought (or even said) they should just take it to a tech, actually looking at the parts, and considering it's almost entirely wired, it just doesn't look that difficult, so I'm toying considering doing it myself.
I redid the LH-3 (LH J/MM pickup) pdf using my guess (hopefully logical) where the MK1 pickups would be wired without the switch. Obviously, I want to check because my guess could be entirely wrong about what happens at the blend pot without the switch.
Can anyone tell me if this is right?
http://www.rccvideo.com/LH-3 - MK1 Wiring.pdf
LH-3 w/ Switch
http://www.rccvideo.com/LH-3 Wiring Diagram.pdf
I have the LH-3 preamp that I'm wanting to use to replace the MK1 pre in my 55-01. It's from a 55-02 and the switch was clipped out.
I'm probably going to leave to MK1 pickups in for a little while.
Even though I've looked at other people and thought (or even said) they should just take it to a tech, actually looking at the parts, and considering it's almost entirely wired, it just doesn't look that difficult, so I'm toying considering doing it myself.
I redid the LH-3 (LH J/MM pickup) pdf using my guess (hopefully logical) where the MK1 pickups would be wired without the switch. Obviously, I want to check because my guess could be entirely wrong about what happens at the blend pot without the switch.
Can anyone tell me if this is right?
http://www.rccvideo.com/LH-3 - MK1 Wiring.pdf
LH-3 w/ Switch
http://www.rccvideo.com/LH-3 Wiring Diagram.pdf
I guess that your definition of 'vintage' is going to be personal. For me, vintage has always meant a smooth, polite sound. Something that blends in to an overall mix. For this, I'm thinking my Darryl Jones with both pickups on full, and the tone control around about a quarter to a half.
For a 'solid' bass tone, I think of something thick, but well defined and punchy. It sits well in a mix, but volume control is crucial otherwise it can overwhelm a mix. For this, on a Darryl Jones, front pickup on full, bridge pickup off completely, tone on full or nearly on full.
Finally, 'modern'. For me, the definitive 'modern' sounds are Jaco Pastorius and Marcus Miller. So it's either front pickup off, bridge pickup on full, tone all the way up (jaco) or everything on full and a great deal of fiddling with the EQ section on my amp (mostly boosting a LOT of treble).
Note, please, that all of this has been done on one bass guitar, strung with the same strings. Find a good bass (ANY Lakland will do!), put some nice strings on it (I use rotosound roundwounds), and then FIDDLE. Tiny changes to the tone control on a passive bass, your pickup blend, these can make a big difference. How you play, where you pluck the string, whether you use fingerstyle, slap, or thumb the bass, all of these will have a HUGE effect. I'm not saying the pickups are unimportant - it would probably be extremely difficult to get a Marcus Miller sound out of a Hofner Violin bass, for example - but ALL Lakland basses are very flexible.
That was the whole point of the first bass Lakland made, anyway - they wanted a bass that combined all the sounds possible from a Precision, Jazz, and Stingray.
Just my two pence (yes, I'm British. what of it?!)
Cheers, SoundSupport.
For a 'solid' bass tone, I think of something thick, but well defined and punchy. It sits well in a mix, but volume control is crucial otherwise it can overwhelm a mix. For this, on a Darryl Jones, front pickup on full, bridge pickup off completely, tone on full or nearly on full.
Finally, 'modern'. For me, the definitive 'modern' sounds are Jaco Pastorius and Marcus Miller. So it's either front pickup off, bridge pickup on full, tone all the way up (jaco) or everything on full and a great deal of fiddling with the EQ section on my amp (mostly boosting a LOT of treble).
Note, please, that all of this has been done on one bass guitar, strung with the same strings. Find a good bass (ANY Lakland will do!), put some nice strings on it (I use rotosound roundwounds), and then FIDDLE. Tiny changes to the tone control on a passive bass, your pickup blend, these can make a big difference. How you play, where you pluck the string, whether you use fingerstyle, slap, or thumb the bass, all of these will have a HUGE effect. I'm not saying the pickups are unimportant - it would probably be extremely difficult to get a Marcus Miller sound out of a Hofner Violin bass, for example - but ALL Lakland basses are very flexible.
That was the whole point of the first bass Lakland made, anyway - they wanted a bass that combined all the sounds possible from a Precision, Jazz, and Stingray.
Just my two pence (yes, I'm British. what of it?!)
Cheers, SoundSupport.
I know that this is all subjective, but to me, Marcus and Jaco are vintage. They have defined their sound over 20 years ago.
good luck on the major!!!
you sound like you got a GREAT long term plan....gotta plan or you get no where....
I "planned" for over a year before I got my first laklands....
you sound like you got a GREAT long term plan....gotta plan or you get no where....
I "planned" for over a year before I got my first laklands....
that says it all....GREAT explanation JJ!
Not vintage at all.......
I would agree......Mine (in my 55-07) have a GREAT range of sound....I CAN get nice lows and highs....I agree..more "hi fi" than vintage....
the single coils are different....but still modern....
Fralins, Lollars, Hanson Vintage, Duncan, Dimarzio, some Barts = vintage in my mind/view
EMG, CHIs, Neopunch, darkstars, certain Nordys and Barts, EBMM = modern, in my mind/view
EMG, CHIs, Neopunch, darkstars, certain Nordys and Barts, EBMM = modern, in my mind/view
not sure what you're into...when one is matching bartolini MME/J pickups to LH-3 preamp, the wires that go to the pickups need to be interchanged the other way around. Since you're reusing the MK-1 pickups, this may or may not be applicable...
Hey Laklovers...
Hate to be 'that guy' asking something that I'm sure has been spoken about before, but the search functions yield nothing useful.
I'm toying with the idea of adding a passive tone control to my 4-94. Does anyone have either or both instructions on how to do so in non-techie language and also pictures of how they configured the knob layout? Mine is from 1999 with the ol' school bart set up.
Thanks in advance all, and sorry to ask something that has been probably beaten to death as much as Chris Wostenholme's effects path (ok maybe not that much, but you get the point).
edit: Just to clarify, I want the control to still work in both passive and active modes if possible. At the very least, it has to work in passive mode.
Hate to be 'that guy' asking something that I'm sure has been spoken about before, but the search functions yield nothing useful.
I'm toying with the idea of adding a passive tone control to my 4-94. Does anyone have either or both instructions on how to do so in non-techie language and also pictures of how they configured the knob layout? Mine is from 1999 with the ol' school bart set up.
Thanks in advance all, and sorry to ask something that has been probably beaten to death as much as Chris Wostenholme's effects path (ok maybe not that much, but you get the point).
edit: Just to clarify, I want the control to still work in both passive and active modes if possible. At the very least, it has to work in passive mode.
And the hollowbody
As for the sound... I agree that they are NOT "vintage" sounding. But in terms of other more "modern" sounding pickups, they definitely have a warmer, more well-rounded tone, especially on the low-end. The mids are much more articulate than a more "vintage" sounding pickup. The highs are distinctive, but not as harsh as a lot of more modern sounding pickups.
Long story short I've always thought of them as having the warmth and depth of a vintage pickup, with the articulation and distinctiveness of a modern pickup.
It's been a while...
It's about time I found my roots!
I've been sifting through the posts in #50 - Wow! Some great info and more outstanding photos of some pretty unique Laklands.
It's about time I found my roots!
I've been sifting through the posts in #50 - Wow! Some great info and more outstanding photos of some pretty unique Laklands.
...Have been trying to find out for a month where/how/how much I can get my hands on a US 44-51 without much luck....
Does anyone on here know what the 'street price' of a USA 44-51 is, and where I can get one?
Does anyone on here know what the 'street price' of a USA 44-51 is, and where I can get one?
I'm pretty sure you're going to have to order one. Bass Club Chicago had the 44-51 Modern prototype with the split-coil pickup listed on its site for an even $3k, but it sold.
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