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Lakland Owners Group #69

The "Bass Players" group on FB has got to be one of the wackiest groups, full of aggressive and highly opinionated people. I've only been in it about a month, it's got to be one of if not the worst page
It's the worst... trust me!

The day that I left the group, there was a guy ranting that literally everyone should be using in ear monitors. He had to post a rebuttal on every comment, that was not in agreement. And, there was plenty!

My cover band doesn't get to rehearse due to our busy schedules, and we use substitute lead singers and guitarists fairly often. We also don't play so loud that we hurt our ears. So, needless to say, there's communication going on, sometimes during songs, amongst the band members... keeping the train on the tracks. We also have people communicating with us from the audience, and we'll speak to them while they're tipping. And, then there's the fact that we like to actually hear our gear that we've spent a lot of money on, and not hear some tiny in ear speakers trying to reproduce it. Nevertheless, I was lectured on how there's no need to communicate verbally during songs, that signals are adequate, and that we should use audience microphones to hear the crowd. I'm glad my last action in that group was to laugh at the moron.
 
You mean the string bar argument? Haha
Haha yep!! And don't even get me started on strap buttons!!

While I'm here, I will add that I went to Guitar Center the other day for strings and while there I picked up several basses and just played around. Something I haven't done in a while. Most of the expensive basses had locks on them, but I did play around with some Fenders, Squiers, Music Man's, Ibanez, Gretsch and they all made me appreciate my Laklands. I had forgotten how different necks could be. And of course the action on some of them were terrible. But none of them could compare to the feel of my 44-02 and DJ-4.
 
Haha yep!! And don't even get me started on strap buttons!!

Actually, let's talk about strap buttons. The Lākland site shows that all basses come with Dunlop locks. I don't believe this is true of the newer American made basses. I don't really care as I swap all of my strap buttons over Schaller S locks. I've been using Schaller since the late 90s, when Fender used to use them on their American made stuff. I've grown to like them and their newest ones are awesome. Any idea what the current buttons are that Lākland uses? I feel if they do indeed work with Dunlop locks, they should include the lock that attaches to the strap.
 
Actually, let's talk about strap buttons. The Lākland site shows that all basses come with Dunlop locks. I don't believe this is true of the newer American made basses. I don't really care as I swap all of my strap buttons over Schaller S locks. I've been using Schaller since the late 90s, when Fender used to use them on their American made stuff. I've grown to like them and their newest ones are awesome. Any idea what the current buttons are that Lākland uses? I feel if they do indeed work with Dunlop locks, they should include the lock that attaches to the strap.
I wouldn't wish schallers on my worst enemy

Dunlop all the way
 
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Haha yep!! And don't even get me started on strap buttons!!

While I'm here, I will add that I went to Guitar Center the other day for strings and while there I picked up several basses and just played around. Something I haven't done in a while. Most of the expensive basses had locks on them, but I did play around with some Fenders, Squiers, Music Man's, Ibanez, Gretsch and they all made me appreciate my Laklands. I had forgotten how different necks could be. And of course the action on some of them were terrible. But none of them could compare to the feel of my 44-02 and DJ-4.
I'm down to two basses: Lakland and Roscoe. I have had a similar experience at GC. Lots of bad basses with terrible setups
 
I wouldn't wish Schaller's on my worst enemy

Dunlop all the way
What is the experience that led to this? They are on everything that I own (including every Lakland) and have been for decades as well and never once have I had an issue. I prefer their U-shaped design the three tiny ball bearing Dunlop design and like that they sit close to the body vs. the pillar of the Dunlop. I could see an argument made against the nut as that seems to be the weak point. I guess over time I have developed a good enough system and a dab of blue thread locker that I just don't have any issues with them holding tightness

But both systems perform perfectly well with multiple millions of both in use for a very long time. But like everything, and preferences being what they are, everyone can make their own choice. But I cannot see one clear winner of the two.
 
Actually, let's talk about strap buttons. The Lākland site shows that all basses come with Dunlop locks. I don't believe this is true of the newer American made basses. I don't really care as I swap all of my strap buttons over Schaller S locks. I've been using Schaller since the late 90s, when Fender used to use them on their American made stuff. I've grown to like them and their newest ones are awesome. Any idea what the current buttons are that Lākland uses? I feel if they do indeed work with Dunlop locks, they should include the lock that attaches to the strap.

I have no idea if this is true but as someone that doesn't like locking straps it would be a positive move. A good strap button combined with the rubber washer works as well if not better and requires no special hardware. If I HAD to have a locking strap button the Dunlop is superior because it works better without the special hardware than the Schaller does. The Schaller has that tiny strap button so if you forget the strap with the special hardware and you need to go without it, its not secure at all. Not so with the Dunlop system. But I will take a good quality traditional strap button any day of the week. I usually replace mine so I probably have some Dunlop strap buttons around if someone wants a set. Its Christmas time just slide into my DM's.
 
What is the experience that led to this? They are on everything that I own (including every Lakland) and have been for decades as well and never once have I had an issue. I prefer their U-shaped design the three tiny ball bearing Dunlop design and like that they sit close to the body vs. the pillar of the Dunlop. I could see an argument made against the nut as that seems to be the weak point. I guess over time I have developed a good enough system and a dab of blue thread locker that I just don't have any issues with them holding tightness

But both systems perform perfectly well with multiple millions of both in use for a very long time. But like everything, and preferences being what they are, everyone can make their own choice. But I cannot see one clear winner of the two.
Failure is inherent in the design. I've had two of them explode on stage on me I suppose they work fine with thin nylon straps but they do not work well with thick leather. No strap lock device should require maintenance and repair.

Dunlops work with or without strap locks. Once they're on, they're on for life. The fact that they are a bit longer is better for balance as it gets your end point closer to the 12th fret.

It's just a superior design and it's the reason it's the strap lock button of choice for high end bass designers. Much like the Hipshot bridge and tuners. They're the industry standard in this segment for a reason.

The Schallers were the best option we had at the time but Dunlops are just a far better designed product.
 
We could talk about the bridge I'm waiting on (blacking out my 55-02) and DHL has me wondering when the next delivery cycle may happen. Anyone have any guesses?

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For the record, I didn't believe them for a minute when they said it was out for delivery as I live 100 miles outside of Minneapolis.
 
Failure is inherent in the design. I've had two of them explode on stage on me I suppose they work fine with thin nylon straps but they do not work well with thick leather. No strap lock device should require maintenance and repair.

Dunlops work with or without strap locks. Once they're on, they're on for life. The fact that they are a bit longer is better for balance as it gets your end point closer to the 12th fret.

It's just a superior design and it's the reason it's the strap lock button of choice for high end bass designers. Much like the Hipshot bridge and tuners. They're the industry standard in this segment for a reason.

The Schallers were the best option we had at the time but Dunlops are just a far better designed product.

Schallers are definitely better with the S locks now. They're substantially longer and work well with thick straps. I have a Levy's strap with hefty leather ends and I have plenty of thread coming through. Also, the nut now locks into place, which it didn't on the older designs. I do agree though, older Schallers require a thin strap end to work correctly. I've definitely had them loosen up over time, but always managed to catch it before it came off completely. I always check those before using them. I feel pretty comfortable not checking the new style ones before use, but I still do. A little extra caution never hurt.
 
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Schallers are definitely better with the S locks now. They're substantially longer and work well with thick straps. I have a Levy's strap with hefty leather ends and I have plenty of thread coming through. Also, the nut now locks into place, which it didn't on the older designs.
Glad it's better now as it couldn't have been much worse. Dunlops have just been doing it better for so long I don't see any reason to do anything different.

And if the button hasn't changed to accommodate non locking straps, well it's still an inferior design
 
Glad it's better now as it couldn't have been much worse. Dunlops have just been doing it better for so long I don't see any reason to do anything different.

And if the button hasn't changed to accommodate non locking straps, well it's still an inferior design

The button has changed, but not in overall design. You definitely wouldn't want to use a strap without locks on it. However, keeping the strap in the case that has the locks for that bass solves that problem. I use Schaller locks on all my basses but 1. 2 of them have the new design and 2 of them have the old design (one of which came from Fender with them. The buttons on the older ones are good to use with the new locks, but they don't recommend using new buttons with old locks, for some reason. I know the new buttons with the new locks don't rattle at all. The old buttons with new locks rattle a little (when there's no weight loading them). I have one bass with standard buttons and rubber washers. That's definitely a cheap way to ensure the strap cannot come off. I was skeptical trying it at first but glad I did.

Also, if you look at newer Lākland's online (Sweetwater or maybe Midlothian Music), you'll see the buttons they use. They definitely are not a standard button that would securely hold a strap. They probably changed suppliers in the last year or so, potentially during the covid shortages. I've also noticed they changed. String retainers for the 4 string basses, based on looking online at older models vs newer models.
 
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