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Lakland Owners Group #69

I will still take it in for sure to have this checked out.


Makes sense. As I twisted head of the cable while completely inserted into the jack it made noises similar to turning a dirty pot.
As it stands, the issue is tolerable. Not resolved, but gig-able.

I'm curious about this though. I've been reading other posts on here from years past and folks seem to have had similar issues. Some claim they spoke with Lakland and they replied that the pickups they designed are meant to mimic a vintage sound: hum, buzz, and all. If this is truly Laklands desired outcome, then wouldn't all of us have the same issue, more more or less? Are most Lakland jazz basses noisy?


Once I shielded my DJ5 it was really quiet, in fact it’s one of the quietest Jazz basses I have, even when you solo pickups it’s really good. I think there is inconsistency in the shielding work, joining cavities with a wire as per Nervous’ post above is not always happening. I’ve seen several Laklands that needed their shielding completed due to the cavities not being connected to each other. Shielding is pointless when that final step of connecting cavities is overlooked.
 
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Thanks guys. I've actually talked to Brian a few times even before getting my bass. I was also going to get a 44-64 pending the results of this DJ5. Now I'm not so sure. I'm sure he's tired of hearing from me, but I will totally reach out to him.
I'm hopeful all will be fine.

Nope...he's not tired of hearing from you.... I'm sure Lakland will fix this
 
I'd call or email Lakland directly and ask to see if that would void the warranty. I've called Lakland directly several times and talked to a guy named Brian, he was very helpful and easy to get on the phone. I have a 44-02 and the front pickup died, he mailed me a new one and I was able to put it in and avoid sending the bass back for warranty repair. The Skylines only have 2 year warranty anyways, I believe

New USA models also only have a 2 year warranty I believe.

My 44-60 is unshielded. I’ve brought it back to Lākland for noise issues with the neck pickup (which I’ve talked about on here previously). They did shield the neck cavity but that didn’t fix it (nor did I think it would). I’ve gone through and changed the pickups to SD QPs. They came out… Too scooped for my liking but I had them laying around from a few years ago so it was the easy “no cost” option. They actually fixed the issue. I then grounded the pole pieces with shielding tape and soldered a wire to the tape and to the pot. I originally did this for both pickups even though only the neck pickup is the issue. I couldn’t get 3 wires through the bridge wire route so I removed it and installed it with no shield. The neck pickup still has a noisy pole piece. I ordered a set of Lindy Fralin stock wound pickups for it from Chicago Music Exchange. Those seem to get a ton of praise for being very true to vintage tone. Here’s to hoping the cloth wire will fit through the bridge wire route. I think they’ll be here today or tomorrow. Now, keep it with the concentric knobs and .047 caps or standard VVT with a .02 cap. Lindy Fralin recommends a .02 cap with their pickups. I might go VVT. I did with the SD QPs but went back when I reinstalled the stock pickups.
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But I will post a pic of my #1 from a festival we played earlier this summer. :thumbsup:

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New USA models also only have a 2 year warranty I believe.

My 44-60 is unshielded. I’ve brought it back to Lākland for noise issues with the neck pickup (which I’ve talked about on here previously). They did shield the neck cavity but that didn’t fix it (nor did I think it would). I’ve gone through and changed the pickups to SD QPs. They came out… Too scooped for my liking but I had them laying around from a few years ago so it was the easy “no cost” option. They actually fixed the issue. I then grounded the pole pieces with shielding tape and soldered a wire to the tape and to the pot. I originally did this for both pickups even though only the neck pickup is the issue. I couldn’t get 3 wires through the bridge wire route so I removed it and installed it with no shield. The neck pickup still has a noisy pole piece. I ordered a set of Lindy Fralin stock wound pickups for it from Chicago Music Exchange. Those seem to get a ton of praise for being very true to vintage tone. Here’s to hoping the cloth wire will fit through the bridge wire route. I think they’ll be here today or tomorrow. Now, keep it with the concentric knobs and .047 caps or standard VVT with a .02 cap. Lindy Fralin recommends a .02 cap with their pickups. I might go VVT. I did with the SD QPs but went back when I reinstalled the stock pickups.
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I also struggle with noisy pole pieces on the neck pup. I will say this is quite frustrating, but the bass plays so damned good and sounds great, it's a shame to have crummy electronics ruin it all. Wasn't the point of Lakland's business model to do all electronics here in the USA? I expected way better.
I am open to opinions to pup upgrades that mimic the DJ5 stock pups as close as possible. I considered SD QPs also...... Sad to hear they were too scoopy. I already find the stock pups a bit scoopier than my MIA Fender Jazz.
As of now, my noise issue is better, but I'm still taking it to a Luthier today and I'll see what he recommends going forward. He works on several other artist's Lakland's here in town, so I'm hopeful he'll pull through for me.
 
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I also struggle with noisy pole pieces on the neck pup. I will say this is quite frustrating, but the bass plays so damned good and sounds great, it's a shame to have crummy electronics ruin it all. Wasn't the point of Lakland's business model to do all electronics here in the USA? I expected way better.
I am open to opinions to pup upgrades that mimic the DJ5 stock pups as close as possible. I considered SD QPs also...... Sad to hear they were too scoopy. I already find the stock pups a bit scoopier than my MIA Fender Jazz.
As of now, my noise issue is better, but I'm still taking it to a Luthier today and I'll see what he recommends going forward. He works on several other artist's Lakland's here in town, so I'm hopeful he'll pull through for me.

I think the issue is with pickup design. What is happening is the outside of the wrap on the neck pickup is the ground wire. The inside wire should be the ground. What happens is this causes an increase in capacitance and noisy poles. If you flip the polarity at the pot (red to ground and black to the pot), the pole pieces won’t be noisy anymore. However, this puts the bridge pickup into phase with the neck pickup and it sounds terrible as a lot of frequencies get cancelled. You also have to reverse the polarity on the bridge pickup. However, once you do that, your bridge will have noisy poles. Normally, grounding the poles like I did fixes it. However, it still left me with the bass most side pole noisy, which is the one my thumb hits. I’m not sure how it didn’t ground it. I cleaned it and redid the grounding and it’s still noisy. I’ll update with my findings on the Lindy Fralin pickups. They’re supposed to be almost even in output across the frequency spectrum. No scoop and very vintage sounding.
 
I am open to opinions to pup upgrades that mimic the DJ5 stock pups as close as possible. I considered SD QPs also...... Sad to hear they were too scoopy. I already find the stock pups a bit scoopier than my MIA Fender Jazz.

Sorry you're having these noise issues. I will say that my Laklands do tend to have a slight buzz under certain conditions/rooms but once we get to a gig, it seems to be negligible unless the power is a bit dirty, but then a lot of other gear makes noise as well. Ideally you'd hope to figure this out with the stock pickups, but if not, I can make the following suggestions. I used to have a DJ5 that had Aero Type 1 pickups; these were great. In fact, I think these used to be the stock pickups in the DJs when they first came out. In fact I just uncovered some recordings in which I used that bass and really liked the tone. I currently have a DJ4 that came with Nordstrand 70s wound single coils. These also sound great, very clear and open with some nice grind to them when I dig in, but I lay back and get a nice fat tone out of them as well. Regardless of which direction you go, I hope you get your situation worked out.
 
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I had to muster all my strength to avoid clicking "Buy it now"... I have strong feelings for that bass as it reminds me of a great time in my life, my kids were just born, I met my LOG friends, played memorable gigs with it... But I can't have more basses. I probably have more basses at home than my local Guitar Center does.

Just so you understand... Here's a video of the moment when the LOG bass arrived at my place:
 
I think the issue is with pickup design. What is happening is the outside of the wrap on the neck pickup is the ground wire. The inside wire should be the ground. What happens is this causes an increase in capacitance and noisy poles. If you flip the polarity at the pot (red to ground and black to the pot), the pole pieces won’t be noisy anymore. However, this puts the bridge pickup into phase with the neck pickup and it sounds terrible as a lot of frequencies get cancelled. You also have to reverse the polarity on the bridge pickup. However, once you do that, your bridge will have noisy poles. Normally, grounding the poles like I did fixes it. However, it still left me with the bass most side pole noisy, which is the one my thumb hits. I’m not sure how it didn’t ground it. I cleaned it and redid the grounding and it’s still noisy. I’ll update with my findings on the Lindy Fralin pickups. They’re supposed to be almost even in output across the frequency spectrum. No scoop and very vintage sounding.
In your instance, would a new pickup from Lakland have been a viable option, and hoped that a new one worked?
 
In your instance, would a new pickup from Lakland have been a viable option, and hoped that a new one worked?

I thought about it but figured it just go to something different. I’d imagine that their pickups are all wound the same so any neck pickup would have noisy pole pieces. Stock 44-60s have the pickup cover. I guess if you play with the cover on, you’ll never hit them. It’s probably not a huge issue and I’m sure my technique isn’t the best which is why I hit them on occasion. I’m curious how many other people with newer Lākland/Hanson J pickups have the same characteristics. It sucks that it’s a problem, especially considering the cost of a US Series bass. Lākland has been more than accommodating in looking at it, shielding it, and dealing with me being a squeaky wheel (I really don’t think any other company would put up with me, or really even acknowledge me). At this point, I feel I’m being critical of a design flaw, not a one-off manufacturing flaw. The fix for a design flaw is a new set of pickups.
 
I thought about it but figured it just go to something different. I’d imagine that their pickups are all wound the same so any neck pickup would have noisy pole pieces. Stock 44-60s have the pickup cover. I guess if you play with the cover on, you’ll never hit them. It’s probably not a huge issue and I’m sure my technique isn’t the best which is why I hit them on occasion. I’m curious how many other people with newer Lākland/Hanson J pickups have the same characteristics. It sucks that it’s a problem, especially considering the cost of a US Series bass. Lākland has been more than accommodating in looking at it, shielding it, and dealing with me being a squeaky wheel (I really don’t think any other company would put up with me, or really even acknowledge me). At this point, I feel I’m being critical of a design flaw, not a one-off manufacturing flaw. The fix for a design flaw is a new set of pickups.
Covering the poles with copper tape should fix the noise issue, maybe check if it has contact with all the pole pieces. Sometimes copper tape adhesive prevents contact in some places.
 
Covering the poles with copper tape should fix the noise issue, maybe check if it has contact with all the pole pieces. Sometimes copper tape adhesive prevents contact in some places.

Yeah, I did. I cleaned it up well and pressed it on well. If I’m not keen on the Lindy Fralin pickups, I’ll maybe get some wire glue and try to halfway tape the poles then put a dab of wire glue directly on the tape and the pole. That would make a continuous circuit.
 
Any word if the 44-64 Custom PJ has similar issues? I was going to get one, but don't want to go through all the current hassle I'm going through. I'm also looking at a Yamaha BBP34 or a Fender American Performer (or Ultra, if I decide to save up some more).....It'll be tough to make this decision....

On another note, I took a flashlight to the J cavities in my Fender, and the floor is lined with what looks to be copper sheets. Not the walls, just the floor. I wonder if this helps contribute to that J bass being so darn quiet. Even dirty power doesn't seem to generate much noise/buzz. I plugged in a Fender Pro ii P bass, and that was surprisingly noisy. Didn't make me feel so bad about my Lakland. The noisy poles on DJ5 are my next battle to tackle.

Thanks for all the info, folks!
 

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