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Lakland Owners Group #69

I hate to say it, but I think I’m going to move my USA 44-60. I keep thinking about selling it and getting into something else. I’ve worked with Lākland and solved the noisy pole piece problems with the neck pickup. I don’t know what it is, but I’m not jiving with it. It plays phenomenally. I keep giving it another chance, but there’s just something. Maybe it’s the fretboard. Im a rosewood guy. Maybe it’s the color. I’m also a red guy. Who knows. It’s a great bass and I really want to like it. I’m struggling with it though.
I'm learning to play around my noisy pole pieces. They don't seem to show up in the mix, yet. Won't gig with mine for another two weeks. So time will tell.
The issues I've run into with this turned me off into getting another Lakland. Bass plays great and lots of fun, but the electronics suck big time. I really didn't want to buy another Fender, but I need a PJ and there's a pretty good one at my local shop. As much as I hate on Fender, they're reliable and sound great in the mix. Not the most fun to play....
 
I hate to say it, but I think I’m going to move my USA 44-60. I keep thinking about selling it and getting into something else. I’ve worked with Lākland and solved the noisy pole piece problems with the neck pickup. I don’t know what it is, but I’m not jiving with it. It plays phenomenally. I keep giving it another chance, but there’s just something. Maybe it’s the fretboard. Im a rosewood guy. Maybe it’s the color. I’m also a red guy. Who knows. It’s a great bass and I really want to like it. I’m struggling with it though.

Laklands are great - I love mine. But there are certainly other good basses available and if the 44-60 is not for you, go find something that is!
 
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Im in the market to buy another Bass which means I have to put one of the ones on the wall up for sale.

It's a shootout right now between my vintage Aria Pro II and my skyline DJ4.

If the DJ4 makes the cut, then I'm going to shield the cavities to see if it helps improve the noise when the treble is boosted.
 
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I hate to say it, but I think I’m going to move my USA 44-60. I keep thinking about selling it and getting into something else. I’ve worked with Lākland and solved the noisy pole piece problems with the neck pickup. I don’t know what it is, but I’m not jiving with it. It plays phenomenally. I keep giving it another chance, but there’s just something. Maybe it’s the fretboard. Im a rosewood guy. Maybe it’s the color. I’m also a red guy. Who knows. It’s a great bass and I really want to like it. I’m struggling with it though.

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I'm learning to play around my noisy pole pieces. They don't seem to show up in the mix, yet. Won't gig with mine for another two weeks. So time will tell.
The issues I've run into with this turned me off into getting another Lakland. Bass plays great and lots of fun, but the electronics suck big time. I really didn't want to buy another Fender, but I need a PJ and there's a pretty good one at my local shop. As much as I hate on Fender, they're reliable and sound great in the mix. Not the most fun to play....

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Im in the market to buy another Bass which means I have to put one of the ones on the wall up for sale.

It's a shootout right now between my vintage Aria Pro II and my skyline DJ4.

If the DJ4 makes the cut, then I'm going to shield the cavities to see if it helps improve the noise when the treble is boosted.
The DJs are some serious eye candy, though... though I know that's not what matters.
 
I'm pretty sure the Vintage Aria will be replaced. The DJ plays very very nice. I find I'm continually tweaking the truss to find the sweet relief spot but it's getting better.
Is the noise on your bass pretty bad? I will say, I've plugged in P basses that were noisier. The pole pieces thing might drive me crazy.
Sad at lack of support from Lakland on this issue.
 
Is the noise on your bass pretty bad? I will say, I've plugged in P basses that were noisier. The pole pieces thing might drive me crazy.
Sad at lack of support from Lakland on this issue.
I actually had pretty good luck dealing with them on the noisy poles on mine. P pickups usually have noisy poles on one of the sides. I’ve never seen one that didn’t have them. After researching it, it was a very easy fix. It’s an engineering issue with how they’re wound. A P pickup will always have it. Jazz pickups can be wound to not have the issue. Perhaps Hanson needs to look at their winding technique for the J pickups.
 
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I actually had pretty good luck dealing with them on the noisy poles on mine. P pickups usually have noisy poles on one of the sides. I’ve never seen one that didn’t have them. After researching it, it was a very easy fix. It’s an engineering issue with how they’re wound. A P pickup will always have it. Jazz pickups can be wound to not have the issue. Perhaps Hanson needs to look at their winding technique for the J pickups.
Agreed....This has to be a known issue. Brian at Lakland said they should be dead quiet. They are not. Not one bit.
I took mine in, and a Luthier who has worked on Laklands said there's were a few things that should have been done in the factory that weren't. Still didn't fix the noise. I decided not to take it back into him. It's tolerable for now, but we'll see when it's put to the true test.
 
Agreed....This has to be a known issue. Brian at Lakland said they should be dead quiet. They are not. Not one bit.
I took mine in, and a Luthier who has worked on Laklands said there's were a few things that should have been done in the factory that weren't. Still didn't fix the noise. I decided not to take it back into him. It's tolerable for now, but we'll see when it's put to the true test.

I know I’ve posted it before, but grounding the backside of the poles will make them dead silent when touched. The issue is the outside of the winding is the ground wire. The inside wire should be. This is the case for the bridge pickup. Unfortunately, it isn’t for the neck pickup. Most pickup manufacturers purposely wind the pickups so the inside is the ground. This keeps the capacitance of the pickups down, which is the ultimate culprit of the issue. Grounding the poles effectively makes the capacitance between the poles and the winding zero because both are now grounded. That being said, shielding tape can be iffy with the conductive adhesive. If you go this route, ensure the poles are actually connected to the wire you’re using for ground with a DMM before reinstalling them. I had to pull mine and redo it because of that.
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Quick demo of the noise on my DJ4.

Whoa. Thank you for posting that as I wasn't sure what was meant by "noisy poles."

I noticed a very similar and pronounced hum the other day when I cleaned the bridge, changed strings, and did a set up on my 55-60. When I plugged in to tune and intonate, it was downright egregious. Now, for reference, I usually run my 55-60 w/Audere pre wirelessly and it's dead quiet but it didn't go away touching the strings or bridge. It was only when I touched the control plate, that it faded out. The Audere pre has connections for the pickups and bridge that I assumed included the plate but I spent some time Saturday adding copper foil and shielding paint to the cavity and making sure that I had a clean connection with the plate and it knocked the noise down about 80% of what it was. Still there to a degree (that I chalk up to single coil hum) but way better than it was.

I know I’ve posted it before, but grounding the backside of the poles will make them dead silent when touched. The issue is the outside of the winding is the ground wire. The inside wire should be. This is the case for the bridge pickup. Unfortunately, it isn’t for the neck pickup. Most pickup manufacturers purposely wind the pickups so the inside is the ground. This keeps the capacitance of the pickups down, which is the ultimate culprit of the issue. Grounding the poles effectively makes the capacitance between the poles and the winding zero because both are now grounded. That being said, shielding tape can be iffy with the conductive adhesive. If you go this route, ensure the poles are actually connected to the wire you’re using for ground with a DMM before reinstalling them. I had to pull mine and redo it because of that. View attachment 5207667

Seeing this I'm wondering if this could get rid of the rest of the noise as I really like these pickups (the bridge was rewound to be a bit hotter to better match the neck).
 
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I have a 2011 44-01. Light weight and exceptional playability and neck stability. Put in copper shielding and single coil pups. Very quiet for a bass with SC pups.

Fast forward to 2023. I have a new 44-02. Worked closely with Brian and Bass Central to get a 44-02 that I wanted in a finish I wanted. Communication was quick with attention to details. Again, light weight and excellent playability. Once initial setup was done neck has stayed put.
Communication and response from Lakland has been excellent for me. I would not hesitate to order another Lakie, love them.
I nothing is perfect with production but am confident if I have issues they will be taken care of. Just my experience.
 
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