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Lakland Quality debates...REALLY?!?!

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You know I have heard and seen quite a bit of speculative argumentation about the Lakland product over the last few years (as we all have I am sure). Yes, many products have had their fair share of praise/bashing, but I can't think of any product that has had more argument over bs in the last few years as the product from Lakland. It really trips me out when I hear/read players make statements about the quality of the instruments changing for the worse due to internal changes in the organization, when the reality was that the changes made no changes for the worse on the instruments AT ALL! PURELY SPECULATIVE ARGUMENTATION!!!

The first complaints came when the Skyline products shifted production from Korea to Indonesia. OMG!!! Folks were crying about how different the instruments sounded, they felt "cheaper", and were not the same quality. This was not the case at all! If anything there was a greater consistency in the weight and color of the instruments, the hardware remained the same, and the electronics were still manufactured and assembled in the US (except the 01 line)!!! With the first couple of shipments from Indonesia, there was great measure taken to ensure that the quality was matched to the Korean made product. Yes, in some aspects the Indonesian made product surpassed the Korean made product.

The next group of complaints came from a few who were not digging the Pleking idea, and preferred to have their frets hand dressed. Guess what. Even after Pleking, your frets are still HAND DRESSED! Next argurment.

Then there is the whole: "The product was better before Dan sold the company" arguement. Even though it's been addressed ad nauseum some folks find it difficult to believe that the structure in place it pretty similar to what it was when Dan owned the company. Pretty much the same staff. Somewhat the same proceedures. Up until recently, same friggin workspace!!!!

There has been an addition of a few models, and deletion of endorsements, but no SUBTRACTION IN QUALITY! So your Jazz bass isn't named after a famous player any more, does that make it less playable?

Okay, and the last one: "things just won't be the same without Carl Pedigo...". You guys were acting as if the dude was dead! The funny thing was, when he first left the company, HE DIDN'T LEAVE THE COMPANY! He was still posted at his bench, in the work shop EVERYDAY. If you called the shop, he still answered the phone, yet some guys were eulogizing him as well as the instruments (and the brand). To this day, Carl still has work space within the Lakland shop area and is still considered as part of the family.

C'mon gang it's time to get real about the products you are placing in your hands. Do not let factors outside of tone and feel dictate "quality" of an instrument. I understand to some this may seem as if I am beating a dead horse, but quite honestly, I find it bothersome that this type of talk is actually out there after this amount of time. People are obviously judging basses with their politics and their emotions rather than their hands and ears.

Obviously.

:atoz:
 
all well stated....will be interesting to see how others respond.....you lay a pretty good foundation....will be hard to argue but I SURE some will try.

There WAS a period of time when Carl was "physically gone"....just keeping your data true...

BTW - the new (well now not so new) owners (The Pirruccello brothers) are dedicated to continually improving their instruments and offering their clients more models.

are you going to be at the GTG?
 
There WAS a period of time when Carl was "physically gone"....just keeping your data true...

Yes, indeed you are correct. My reference was dealing with the specific time in which Carl was officially no longer with Lakland yet was still in the main shop. We had folks whining back then! This was prior to him leaving the main shop, only to open his shop a lofty 45 feet away in the same building!!!


are you going to be at the GTG?

Not certain. Bunch of things happening right now. Grad school is kicking my tail, and my band is in the middle of recording. Very little time. I barely have time for TB. :D
 
You know I have heard and seen quite a bit of speculative argumentation about the Lakland product over the last few years (as we all have I am sure). Yes, many products have had their fair share of praise/bashing, but I can't think of any product that has had more argument over bs in the last few years as the product from Lakland. It really trips me out when I hear/read players make statements about the quality of the instruments changing for the worse due to internal changes in the organization, when the reality was that the changes made no changes for the worse on the instruments AT ALL! PURELY SPECULATIVE ARGUMENTATION!!!

The first complaints came when the Skyline products shifted production from Korea to Indonesia. OMG!!! Folks were crying about how different the instruments sounded, they felt "cheaper", and were not the same quality. This was not the case at all! If anything there was a greater consistency in the weight and color of the instruments, the hardware remained the same, and the electronics were still manufactured and assembled in the US (except the 01 line)!!! With the first couple of shipments from Indonesia, there was great measure taken to ensure that the quality was matched to the Korean made product. Yes, in some aspects the Indonesian made product surpassed the Korean made product.

The next group of complaints came from a few who were not digging the Pleking idea, and preferred to have their frets hand dressed. Guess what. Even after Pleking, your frets are still HAND DRESSED! Next argurment.

Then there is the whole: "The product was better before Dan sold the company" arguement. Even though it's been addressed ad nauseum some folks find it difficult to believe that the structure in place it pretty similar to what it was when Dan owned the company. Pretty much the same staff. Somewhat the same proceedures. Up until recently, same friggin workspace!!!!

There has been an addition of a few models, and deletion of endorsements, but no SUBTRACTION IN QUALITY! So your Jazz bass isn't named after a famous player any more, does that make it less playable?

Okay, and the last one: "things just won't be the same without Carl Pedigo...". You guys were acting as if the dude was dead! The funny thing was, when he first left the company, HE DIDN'T LEAVE THE COMPANY! He was still posted at his bench, in the work shop EVERYDAY. If you called the shop, he still answered the phone, yet some guys were eulogizing him as well as the instruments (and the brand). To this day, Carl still has work space within the Lakland shop area and is still considered as part of the family.

C'mon gang it's time to get real about the products you are placing in your hands. Do not let factors outside of tone and feel dictate "quality" of an instrument. I understand to some this may seem as if I am beating a dead horse, but quite honestly, I find it bothersome that this type of talk is actually out there after this amount of time. People are obviously judging basses with their politics and their emotions rather than their hands and ears.

Obviously.

:atoz:

Feel better now? I've always liked Lakland instruments (I own two - a 55-94D and the famous, fabulous pink JO5) and did enough research to know that the Hansons/Pirruccellos had been involved with Lakland for a long time. There are always a bunch of nervous nellies out there who automatically fear change, even when the change might be for the better. It's like the guy who introduced us to the "corporate takeover" of Fodera.
 
I'm about the tone and versatility that my 2001 55-01 brings me. I can't let organizational changes,manufacturing changes/processes get in the way of me making the music I enjoy. I play the music to get away from things of that nature. I give Lakland there props for such a quality product that an ordinary guy like me can afford. I've been playing long enough to know that if you pick a bass up and can't put it down it doesn't matter where it was made.
 
Billy Low, you do realize that you are complaining about Lakland quality debates and then...starting a thread that seems to want to engage in debates about Lakland's quality.

Just seems a little weird. Like, if these debates bother you, I don't understand why you are creating yet another forum for the debates...

But, to each his own. As long as you are enjoying your bass (which I presume is a Lakland!) I guess it's cool.

Take care!

John
 
Billy Low, you do realize that you are complaining about Lakland quality debates and then...starting a thread that seems to want to engage in debates about Lakland's quality.

Just seems a little weird. Like, if these debates bother you, I don't understand why you are creating yet another forum for the debates...

But, to each his own. As long as you are enjoying your bass (which I presume is a Lakland!) I guess it's cool.

Take care!

John


Um, no.

Munji caught it.

I was merely venting.

No discussion or debate.

Venting.

The world is a much better place now. :smug:

(...and yes, I am very happy with all of my Laklands. Several to chose from)
 
I have a 55-64 fretted and a 55-60 fretless - both Indonesian Skylines. They're as good as any bass that I've played period. I mostly play 4 strrings, but Lakland's Skyline 5 strings are right up there with any other bass I've played, and considerably less expensive. I also prefer the Lakland approach to 5 strings in terms of neck profile, string spacing, etc., but this is just me. FWIW, I have 2 great basses that were made in Indonesia, but that's just my sample size of 2. Other experiences are equally valid even if different.
 
I have a 55-64 fretted and a 55-60 fretless - both Indonesian Skylines. They're as good as any bass that I've played period. I mostly play 4 strrings, but Lakland's Skyline 5 strings are right up there with any other bass I've played, and considerably less expensive. I also prefer the Lakland approach to 5 strings in terms of neck profile, string spacing, etc., but this is just me. FWIW, I have 2 great basses that were made in Indonesia, but that's just my sample size of 2. Other experiences are equally valid even if different.

FWIW, I'm not a 5-string player at all. However, I casually played a used 55-01 recently at the local GC and found it to be ---Playable!

I think it was the only fiver that didn't give me fits from the start. Actually, kinda liked it.
 
I'm not Indonesian and neither is my cat (he's not exactly saying but I'm confident of that). On the other hand, I spent the whole morning yesterday at Bass Club of Chicago, playing...new, Indo Skylines. I've owned several Korean SLs, both pre and post Plek, but these were the first of the new SLs I played. I played literally every Lakland 5 string neck in the store and a lot of the 4s. The rest of the time, I played a wide variety of Fenders, MTD's used MMs, and others. Guess what? The Lakland necks were consistently the most playable, comfortable, well built (fit and finish) necks in the store. Compared with the Laklands I've owned and the excellent competition on hand - they were excellent, not better or worse than the "old" Lakies. So much so that I ordered a new DJ5 in pearl white with a Jretro. Happy to say.
 
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