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Learning Scales

It's nice to know the nomenclature of music theory, but it's not required to have a vast vocabulary to be able to play. For example, learning a "shape" or "pattern" on a fret board is an effective way of applying theory without knowing exactly why it works.
Don't feel pressured that you have to know and uderstand all theory topics up front. If you do, great! It's also perfectly fine to learn bits and pieces along the way. Just keep playing and enjoy the journey!
 
Edited to add: Re: playing songs. That is afterall, why we pick up the instrument. Playing along to songs should be a constant in your practice routine.

For the OP: What FatStinger52 mentioned here is important. For extra credit, start paying attention to the bass lines in the songs you play along to and try to identify the various intervals, chord tones, and scales used in the songs.
 
I'm a beginner on bass and looking for suggestions about learning scales. What are the useful reasons to learn scales? I noticed in videos and books that scales are played in a sequence; however, I also read somewhere that the scale notes can be played in any sequence to create bass lines. How can basslines be created with scales? What scales are good to start learning? I already jumped ahead to learn rock and jazz basslines in a few songs that I like.

Scales are great. They provide the logic for a chord change. While I don’t get too hung up on scales per se, I spend more time working with modes ( Minor or Major).

Being honest, I don’t play a lot of jazz or play a lot of esoteric music where some of the tools scales can provide may be very useful. Best wishes. Welcome to the world of bass.
 
I'm post #44, so you may have gotten what you needed and moved on, but in case not, my 2-cents worth is that, for now, as a beginner, think in terms of arpeggios. Our job as bassists is to outline the chord. You really need to the whole chicken to be truly great at your craft, but just for now, to get you some immediate success, here are some "McNuggets". Stick with this to the end. I promise I am answering your question...

In the event someone is playing a C chord, obviously a C-Note is ok to play. You can find C at the 3rd fret of the A string, as well as a few other places. For now, just locate and play that.
if you go down one fret and over one string to the 2nd fret of the D-string, that's E. It would be pretty ok to play while a guitarist is playing a C chord. The last one I'm going to give you is G. Play that one as the the G that is located on the 5th fret of the D string. That would be extremely ok to play when a guitarist is playing a C chord.

That's just 3 notes, but they are important, and part of a scale; the C major scale to be specific.

This is getting into more than I thought it would, but hang in there.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C D E F G A B

C= 1 (also called the root) , E = 3 , G = 5

That's a C-Major Chord.

Those notes I gave you? They make a kind of a shape on your bass. the C is where it is. The D is one fret down and one string over. The G is two frets down and one string over. It makes a little shape if you look at it.

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There is another "5" right next to the C (root) if you go down a string to the E and play the G on the 3rd fret, that's a (lower) 5th. Oh, and if you go the other 5th I showed you originally, and go up a string to the 5th fret on the G string, that's a C too. It counts as a root, and in this context, would be known as an "octave".

If you can keep all the spots I just outlined in mind and think of them as a "shape", you can move it around on your bass neck and the all the notes will work in terms of a major scale, that you can play over a major chord.

If you go the E, 7th fret of the A string and make the E the root, the 3rd, octave and both 5ths I showed you will be just where they are for the C, but higher up. It works for any major. The minor I will leave to you as "homework".

If you think about it, playing these notes like this,really IS playing the chord, just like the guitar player, just one note at a time. That's what we do as the bassist. We do that, in the most interesting and musical way we can.
That's why it's important for us to know some scales as bassists.
More homework, Lean the C pentatonic scale from the C on the 3rd fret of the A we started with. Notes are

1 2 3 5 6
C D E G A

That will get you started, and hopefully make it feel easy, and also help you to understand why scales are important.
 
Scale are great at learning the name of the notes all over the neck.
It is also great to learn picking techniques and also string crossing.
Can help at learning to read music.
It is very interesting when you do cross string ... like a two octave scale in 3rd and then in 4th
(In C)
c e d f e g f a g b etc ... or in 4th it would be c f d g e a f b g c etc

then from those scale you can create chords by stacking 3rd etc

they are the building block of all music
 
Dont think about scales without giving equal attention to chord tones. All is explained in this link ( the web site itself is excellent) better than I ever could.

Chord Tones Are Primary | Bass Chord Patterns | StudyBass
That's a very interesting link. Glad I asked about scales and learned from the great bassists here that I need to spend as much attention to chords. The information is correct how there is so much focus on scales when first learning bass and chords don't receive much attention.
 
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In addition to all the generous and good advice, please remember to be patient with yourself and don't burn out by playing too much at first. If you practice, you will improve. Some may disagree with this next thing: some days I think you should just pick up the bass and fool around, with no goal, no objective, and no agenda but to enjoy the bass. Good teachers always say things like "Don't waste time practicing what you're good at." I think some days you should ignore that advice, and just play "Smoke on the Water" for an hour if that's how you feel. But my main point is to be patient with yourself.
 
In addition to all the generous and good advice, please remember to be patient with yourself and don't burn out by playing too much at first. If you practice, you will improve. Some may disagree with this next thing: some days I think you should just pick up the bass and fool around, with no goal, no objective, and no agenda but to enjoy the bass. Good teachers always say things like "Don't waste time practicing what you're good at." I think some days you should ignore that advice, and just play "Smoke on the Water" for an hour if that's how you feel. But my main point is to be patient with yourself.
That's what I do now. Some days I do pick up my new bass, explore it and just play a few notes. It's not a total waste of time since, it is relaxing and in addition, I do read music theory and enjoy watching various videos on bass instruction and bass covers too. I practice more than I fool around.