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Learning Songs By ear... HOWW!?!!?

I think my "ear" is probably my biggest weakness as a bass player. I can read music well, but when it comes to transcribing by ear, I have trouble. I recognize that I haven't learned as much music theory as I need to. I took lessons for a few years, but music is infinitely sophisticated...

Another thing is that I'm usually trying to transcribe bass that is buried under heavy guitars, which doesn't help. I'm going to try some of the suggestions on this thread and work on developing my ear because I really want to get better.
 
Some great advice here, most especially about it coming with time. Trust me, it does.

Earlier in the thread somebody said to go note by note. With all due respect, I disagree, based on 23 years of playing entirely by ear (one of these days I really need to get serious and learn chord theory, but I'm having too much fun).

It's MUCH easier to figure out the chord progression first, then go back and fill in the details. Many recordings have the bass so buried in the mix that it's very difficult to hear all the nuances no matter how closely you listen. Trying to get every single note out of a recording like that is a great way to get frustrated.

Get the basic structure of the song figured out (start with playing just notes on the beat, changing with each chord change), then go back and get the rhythm of the bass line (assuming it's not just thumping along on the beat), THEN put in all the little fiddly bits. You won't go wrong if you stay in key, even if you're not playing the exact same bass line that's on the record.

Along the way, you might surprise yourself and come up with a better bass line than the original. That happens to me all the time... my band plays only covers, but few of my bass lines are the same as the original. In some cases, they really are a lot more interesting than what wound up on the record.

Most original bass lines evolve over time anyway... the artist screws around a lot. What appears on the record is just what the bassist happened to be playing at the time. It probably isn't what he/she started with.

Prime example: The Beatle's "Ob La Di." The bass line on the record is simple, driving and instantly recognizable. But on the old Beatles demo recordings released a few years ago, McCartney's bass line was TOTALLY DIFFERENT, and very cool. So when I play it, I mix the two lines together and the result is a lot more interesting than the exact line that was on the record.
 
- so you find it easier than with the piano?

I think I'm just not used to the sound of a piano, having only been in my first band with keys for about 3 months - even then our player uses pads, clav, sythns, etc and only infrequently a piano sounds.

I loaded up the program onto my PC yesterday. I'm gonna spend Saturday making myself a CD with some sets of chords on it, as per that web site - starting on triads then into 7ths, 9ths, etc etc.

Going to see Mingus Big Band tonight at Ronnie Scotts :) and double :)
 
I suggest Taking some music Theory courses if its offered anywhere near you. I have taken so many theory and aural training classes, but it has been worth it.

Like WrongRobot said, once I find the root, I just listen for the intervals and chord progression and thats it. I get the basic gist of the song and I am usually pretty on about the notes.. but If I feel that I am not 100% sure, I'll just listen again.

Having a good ear takes practice, it won't happen over night, so don't get frustrated when you don't see results right off.

There is a program you can buy called Macgamut (it may or may not be sold in stores) but it is a very helpfull program on CD-ROM that you could definately benefit from
 

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