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Legal highs

#61
JFOC said:
Well Corn would actually be a bit murkier..it has been cultivated for thousands of years & its structure has been modified through natural processes... so is it natural? It can grow in nature without assistance but would not exist without human interaction...
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Neither would bananas. Or a whole host of other crops. Hell, neither would dogs.

I'm guessing most people draw the line between natural and synthetic where we tamper directly with the thing. When crossbreeding and selecting and stuff like that, we are still following natural processes, only sped up and directed in a specifically chosen direction. When we modify something on the genetic level, the change doesn't feel natural anymore.
But I don't know enough about actual genetic modification or synthesizing to judge whether there's a fundamental difference with selective breeding, or simply a gradual difference, but essentially being a very comparable thing.
 
#65
michael_atw said:
I already responded to this earlier. As I said before, I hardly believe this is a significant portion of the population that uses the drug.
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You can believe it or not, but a significant number of folks out there of all sorts enjoy messing with their brain chemistry who don't want to get in trouble. (Enjoying that coffee? How about chocolate?)

Is it really so hard to believe that people would be willing to try something that won't get them in legal trouble with the tradeoff being that it's newer and less known? Sounds like an easy decision for someone with the inclination to get high.
 
#66
JFOC said:
If it takes a human being to produce it, it isn't natural...

Is a computer "natural" ? No, it takes refinement of materials that may be natural, but it cannot be found in nature. Same as Heroin.
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#67
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/natural

: based on an inherent sense of right and wrong <natural justice>
2
a : being in accordance with or determined by nature
b : having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature
3
a (1) : begotten as distinguished from adopted; also : legitimate (2) : being a relation by actual consanguinity as distinguished from adoption <natural parents>
b : illegitimate <a natural child>
4
: having an essential relation with someone or something : following from the nature of the one in question <his guilt is a natural deduction from the evidence>
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: implanted or being as if implanted by nature : seemingly inborn <a natural talent for art>
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: of or relating to nature as an object of study and research
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: having a specified character by nature <a natural athlete>
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a : occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature : not marvelous or supernatural <natural causes>
b : formulated by human reason alone rather than revelation <natural religion> <natural rights>
c : having a normal or usual character <events followed their natural course>
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: possessing or exhibiting the higher qualities (as kindliness and affection) of human nature <a noble … brother … ever most kind and natural — Shakespeare>
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a : growing without human care; also : not cultivated <natural prairie unbroken by the plow>
b : existing in or produced by nature : not artificial <natural turf> <natural curiosities>
c : relating to or being natural food
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a : being in a state of nature without spiritual enlightenment : unregenerate <natural man>
b : living in or as if in a state of nature untouched by the influences of civilization and society
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a : having a physical or real existence as contrasted with one that is spiritual, intellectual, or fictitious <a corporation is a legal but not a natural person>
b : of, relating to, or operating in the physical as opposed to the spiritual world <natural laws describe phenomena of the physical universe>
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a : closely resembling an original : true to nature
b : marked by easy simplicity and freedom from artificiality, affectation, or constraint
c : having a form or appearance found in nature
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a : having neither flats nor sharps <the natural scale of C major>
b : being neither sharp nor flat
c : having the pitch modified by the natural sign
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: of an off-white or beige color




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#71
michael_atw said:
Insofar as I know, also, drug use is not transferred horizontal but vertical. Meaning, people don't say, "man...the cost of coke has gone up, I think I'll use something else in the mean time." People who use synthetic THC I would venture to bet still use the substances they were using before.
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Many of the largest drug trends within modern society have always been directly related to cost, and therefore, availability. Cocaine got expensive, and so crack was created. Crack got expensive, so methamphetamine was created. Now things like Bath-salts and who knows what are beginning to emerge because meth is too expensive and more controlled. Desomorphine (in the form of "Krokodil") has emerged in a lot of areas and is gaining in popularity as a cheap alternative to heroin.


It does largely depend on what sort of drug use you're talking about. Casual recreational drug use, sure, people experiment around and try a few different things, not out of necessity but out of curiosity and luxury. Generally they find what they enjoy and stick to it, but a lot of people are always up for trying new things in many facets of their life, drug experimentation is no different here. Bottom rung on the ladder though, people who are truly drug addicted and can't break the cycle? They'll take whatever they can get if it'll make things better for a little while, no matter how hard the crash or side effects.


I think the main point that was being made was that when the desired substances are available without much difficulty, people don't go looking for a direct substitute and sub-par alternative to the real thing, because they have no incentive to. Some people may try it, and people will still try new drugs, but why would they go out of their way to try an inferior substitute when the original they are looking for is readily available.
 
#73
One could point the corn argument at weed too. Not interested in natural vs not natural.

Caffeine and chocolate, that's a good one. If I start drinking espresso in the morning it takes about 4 months for me to need another one at lunchtime. That sets off a warning bell and I quit. I get a bit of a headache for a few days then I'm fine. I've done that routine twice now, shows me it's some proper addictive stuff that caffeine.
 
#74
Downunderwonder said:
One could point the corn argument at weed too. Not interested in natural vs not natural.

Caffeine and chocolate, that's a good one. If I start drinking espresso in the morning it takes about 4 months for me to need another one at lunchtime. That sets off a warning bell and I quit. I get a bit of a headache for a few days then I'm fine. I've done that routine twice now, shows me it's some proper addictive stuff that caffeine.
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I'm weening myself off coffee, but I love it to much, and it is a partly cultural thing for me as well.
 

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